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Old 03-17-2022, 11:12 AM
 
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What about Sturgeon Bay?
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Old 03-23-2022, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Portal to the Pacific
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Doesn't East Lansing have everything Madison has minus Lake Mendota and Lake Monona?
Unfortunately, no…

Lansing is the capital and it’s not connected to MSU like State Street is in Madison. East Lansing is really just a college and a top notch party school. Let’s just say game days were exciting. Dropping my kids off at preschool and frats were already on their rooftop couches drinking! Lol

It sorely lacks the diversity of government and industry that Madison has. It feels substantially more rural. I can’t tell you the disappointment I experienced my first visit when my husband had accepted a professorship. Also it’s a lot more cloudy. Had no idea how many more cloudy days MI experiences compared to anywhere in the country and except the PNW. Except here the clouds have lots of texture and move, and is quite dynamic and lovely. Not a dull grey smothering blanket like in MI.

However I did experience a wonder social life. Because it was smaller and more intimate. I readily made friends with other faculty wives and had truly delightful volunteer opportunities supporting students families and international students.

Hands down I choose WI over MI.
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Old 03-24-2022, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Illinois
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Wisconsin, generally, is a great place for people who straddle Left and Right views politically. You'll get salt of the earth people who value the environment and handle their business. And they hunt, fish and usually drink beer.

I've spent a lot of time up there, and my son lived there for many years. It's quite cold, noticeably colder than Chicago even. So it's for the hearty. People are generally friendly but not overly so. There's also a lot of local pride.

Madison is an island inside of this that is very different. I love the city, beautiful, tons of the coffee and bookstore stuff you want. Also, a very liberal college city. That said, it's less liberal as some Chicago neighborhoods on the north side. And completely tame compared to a place like Portland, OR. The liberal in Madison is more "college liberal" that has spread a bit around. There is nothing like West Coast liberal anywhere else.
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Old 03-31-2022, 12:49 PM
 
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If you don't like the politics in Portland and Seattle Madison is just as bad just saying.....
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Old 03-31-2022, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Portal to the Pacific
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If you don't like the politics in Portland and Seattle Madison is just as bad just saying.....
No doubt Madison is liberal, but so is Austin, TX (where I went to college). I enjoy liberal college towns because when it comes to social values I do lean liberal. I believe in personal freedoms... I think about the environment... but I'm just not over-the-top about it. It's really not my business how other people live their lives and I don't think it's anyone's business how I live mine. I apply the "Golden Rule".

So it's not like I want to avoid all liberal communities. Just the crazy ones and I don't think most of the country's liberal centers, including Madison, compare to either Portland and Seattle.

Perhaps a good litmus test is this:

1) How many Madison stores and businesses were gutted, robbed and vandalized and how many roads were shut down due to "protestors" in summers of 2020 and 2021?

2) Did the police ever have to vacate a precent due to rioters?

3) Did a portion of Madison get taken over by citizen protestors so that not even first responders could approach and help in emergency situations like gun and knife violence?

4) Has Hilldale Mall received a riot?

5) Did the city council actually defund Madison's police department?

6) Did the State of Wisconsin pass police laws in 2020 and 2021 that have led to record high crime and violence in 2021 and 2022?



I mean, that's the bar that Seattle/WA and Portland/OR set. It's pretty high. I just don't think Madison quite reaches it
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Old 04-05-2022, 06:23 PM
 
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No doubt Madison is liberal, but so is Austin, TX (where I went to college). I enjoy liberal college towns because when it comes to social values I do lean liberal. I believe in personal freedoms... I think about the environment... but I'm just not over-the-top about it. It's really not my business how other people live their lives and I don't think it's anyone's business how I live mine. I apply the "Golden Rule".

So it's not like I want to avoid all liberal communities. Just the crazy ones and I don't think most of the country's liberal centers, including Madison, compare to either Portland and Seattle.

Perhaps a good litmus test is this:

1) How many Madison stores and businesses were gutted, robbed and vandalized and how many roads were shut down due to "protestors" in summers of 2020 and 2021?

2) Did the police ever have to vacate a precent due to rioters?

3) Did a portion of Madison get taken over by citizen protestors so that not even first responders could approach and help in emergency situations like gun and knife violence?

4) Has Hilldale Mall received a riot?

5) Did the city council actually defund Madison's police department?

6) Did the State of Wisconsin pass police laws in 2020 and 2021 that have led to record high crime and violence in 2021 and 2022?



I mean, that's the bar that Seattle/WA and Portland/OR set. It's pretty high. I just don't think Madison quite reaches it
You’ve pretty accurately described events in Madison, especially on State Street, in the immediate aftermath of the George Floyd incident.
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Old 04-06-2022, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Portal to the Pacific
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You’ve pretty accurately described events in Madison, especially on State Street, in the immediate aftermath of the George Floyd incident.
Most liberal places had some disruption but Seattle and Portland went overboard.
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Old 04-07-2022, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Illinois
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I consider myself somewhat liberal. I could NEVER live in Portland, Seattle, or San Francisco.

Chicago, while certainly Democrat, isn't the same kind of liberal. It's more of a tribal thing. Hard to describe and nothing like the west coast.

Madison is a lovely city dominated by a huge university and yes, it's very liberal. But 1) it's cold, and you aren't going to see tent cities all over the place like you do in the mild climates of the PNW, 2) it's still the midwest, just not the same, 3) it's in Wisconsin, which is a purple state overall, not a super liberal one like Washington or California. Night and Day.

So yeah, you'll still get patches of crunchy stuff and people marching about something because, well, it's a liberal college town. But it's not the same. And it's easier to escape it when needed.
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Old 04-08-2022, 01:38 PM
 
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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No doubt Madison is liberal, but so is Austin, TX (where I went to college). I enjoy liberal college towns because when it comes to social values I do lean liberal. I believe in personal freedoms... I think about the environment... but I'm just not over-the-top about it. It's really not my business how other people live their lives and I don't think it's anyone's business how I live mine. I apply the "Golden Rule".

So it's not like I want to avoid all liberal communities. Just the crazy ones and I don't think most of the country's liberal centers, including Madison, compare to either Portland and Seattle.

Perhaps a good litmus test is this:

1) How many Madison stores and businesses were gutted, robbed and vandalized and how many roads were shut down due to "protestors" in summers of 2020 and 2021?

2) Did the police ever have to vacate a precent due to rioters?

3) Did a portion of Madison get taken over by citizen protestors so that not even first responders could approach and help in emergency situations like gun and knife violence?

4) Has Hilldale Mall received a riot?

5) Did the city council actually defund Madison's police department?

6) Did the State of Wisconsin pass police laws in 2020 and 2021 that have led to record high crime and violence in 2021 and 2022?



I mean, that's the bar that Seattle/WA and Portland/OR set. It's pretty high. I just don't think Madison quite reaches it
1 re protestors and stores = zero
2 no
3 no
4 riots have nothing to do with political alignment, far right media and far right websites such as city data conflate 1st amendment peaceful protest with riots and vandalism, they haven't been linked except in right wing "news" sources
5 no
6 no

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Old 04-08-2022, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Portal to the Pacific
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1 re protestors and stores = zero
2 no
3 no
4 riots have nothing to do with political alignment, far right media and far right websites such as city data conflate 1st amendment peaceful protest with riots and vandalism, they haven't been linked except in right wing "news" sources
5 no
6 no
#4... We have a nice mall on the Eastside (of Seattle). Bellevue. Blew all of us suburbanites minds when it got looted by a bunch of kids. I don't think there were even protestors in the technical sense. [url]https://komonews.com/news/local/determined-to-wreak-havoc-bellevue-looting-was-organized-event-police-say[/url]

So not really a discussion of political alignment at all. No right. No left. But certainly these kids took advantage of the situation.

It would have been like Hilldale Mall getting looted. That's where that question came from.
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