08-05-2009, 09:43 AM
Location: Beautiful Pelham Pkwy (da Bronx)
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Yes I would vote for it. My religious/spiritual/ideological beliefs are based on equality, inclusivity, and freedom of choice--with no exceptions to the rule.
08-05-2009, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by
Drover
Even in a secular society people get to use religion to inform their sociopolitical beliefs. People of all political stripes do it. Just ask the abolitionists and leaders of the civil rights movement.
There's a difference between using your religious beliefs to foster freedom or further oppression, though. Banning gay marriage is definitely a form of the latter.
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Originally Posted by Milwaukee City
That's why I said I don't have a good answer.
At least you're honest and forthright about your bigotry.
08-05-2009, 10:49 AM
Location: Mequon, WI
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Ron Burgundy
At least you're honest and forthright about your bigotry.
Whoa, This is why I try to stay away from controversial topics on here. All I was saying bedside's my religious beliefs and that's not a good answer b/c I agree with all of you that we shouldn't push religion onto others. Religious beliefs are a good reason for the person but not for the community policy to be based on. I have said in previous post that this is a tough one for me to decide that's why I leave it up to smarted minds to make the decision. And in the end it really doesn't matter to me b/c I will live my life and they will live theirs and chances are we will be good neighbors. However I think religion provides a good moral background to make judgments.
And at the same time I could say don't push your secular beliefs on me or your atheistic beliefs on me, that's why it's best to have a debate and let the voters decide not politicians.
08-05-2009, 01:40 PM
Location: Chicago
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Ron Burgundy
There's a difference between using your religious beliefs to foster freedom or further oppression, though. Banning gay marriage is definitely a form of the latter.
jjacobeclark made no such distinction. Take it up with him.
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Originally Posted by
Ron Burgundy
At least you're honest and forthright about your bigotry.
And this right here is why it's impossible to have an open an honest debate on the subject. We couldn't even make it past page 2 before the ad hominem attacks came out. It doesn't really help the cause when you attack the very people you need to persuade to join your side.
08-05-2009, 01:57 PM
Location: Maine!
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Ummmm........
How is it possible not to bring religion into this? Marriage is a religious institiution. It has everything to do with religion. It's not possible to have this discussion without bringing up God and religious beliefs.
Good luck with this Wisconsin
08-05-2009, 03:48 PM
Location: Lower East Side, Milwaukee, WI
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chaosX5
Ummmm........
How is it possible not to bring religion into this? Marriage is a religious institiution. It has everything to do with religion. It's not possible to have this discussion without bringing up God and religious beliefs.
Good luck with this Wisconsin
No, actually it doesn't. Marriage began long before religion as an exchange of property. Nothing more. There was nothing spiritual or romantic about it. For example, one man might trade one of his daughters to another man in exchange for a herd of goats. Later on in history, marriages were arranged to maintain or elevate the social status of a family. Same-sex marriages have also existed throughout history, even within Christianity.
08-05-2009, 05:56 PM
Location: Maine!
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jjacobeclark
No, actually it doesn't. Marriage began long before religion as an exchange of property. Nothing more. There was nothing spiritual or romantic about it. For example, one man might trade one of his daughters to another man in exchange for a herd of goats. Later on in history, marriages were arranged to maintain or elevate the social status of a family. Same-sex marriages have also existed throughout history, even within Christianity .
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I understand the need for that government piece of paper, especially for medical reasons, insurance and taxes. That's fine.......but I never really understood what the government has to do with marriage anyway
My marriage is a valid sacramental marriage within the Catholic Church and the government shouldn't have anything to do with that. It's between me and my husband and our sacramental agreement with the Lord. If homosexuals want to be "married" in the eyes of the government then so be it. I hope they get some tax breaks (Married, filing jointly
) because we are going to need all the tax breaks we can get
08-05-2009, 07:49 PM
Location: Lower East Side, Milwaukee, WI
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chaosX5
......................
I understand the need for that government piece of paper, especially for medical reasons, insurance and taxes. That's fine.......but I never really understood what the government has to do with marriage anyway
My marriage is a valid sacramental marriage within the Catholic Church and the government shouldn't have anything to do with that. It's between me and my husband and our sacramental agreement with the Lord. If homosexuals want to be "married" in the eyes of the government then so be it. I hope they get some tax breaks (Married, filing jointly
) because we are going to need all the tax breaks we can get
History of same-sex unions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
When Same-Sex Marriage Was a Christian Rite - Colfax Record (http://colfaxrecord.com/detail/91429.html - broken link)
08-11-2009, 12:22 PM
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NO!
08-11-2009, 02:41 PM
Location: Lower East Side, Milwaukee, WI
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city414
NO!
Right, because everyone knows the "movement" to legalize gay marriage is really just a front for people in favor of loosening bestiality laws.
SMH X 1000
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House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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