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Old 10-25-2010, 08:47 PM
 
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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I actually am against any government employee or contractor being union.
At least we agree on something ... Always a first.
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Old 10-25-2010, 10:13 PM
 
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At least we agree on something ... Always a first.
I'm not even sure why you responded to my post. I clearly was talking about companies (I mentioned it several times in my post) yet you responded with a rant against the government. In summation, I really don't give a crud if you agree with me .
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Old 10-25-2010, 10:15 PM
 
Location: NJ
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There's plenty of businesses that profit immediately or close to it.

In NJ, you have self employment assistance which pays you the same amount as unemployment while you work on your own business and until it becomes profitable. I'm sure other states have something like this as well.
Honestly I think you are giving a misleading perspective on starting your own business. I'm not making this stuff up. Look up stats on it.

I'm not saying all businesses fail. But a lot do. And a lot take a while to turn a profit. And most need some kind of starting capital.
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Old 10-25-2010, 10:21 PM
 
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Honestly I think you are giving a misleading perspective on starting your own business. I'm not making this stuff up. Look up stats on it.

I'm not saying all businesses fail. But a lot do. And a lot take a while to turn a profit. And most need some kind of starting capital.
So pick a business with a low startup cost and low capital requirement. My neighbor pays a guy to mow her lawn, he has an old pickup, a trailer, a push lawn mower, and a weed trimmer. $25/pop to mow lawns. Out of pocket costs to start that...probably around $2k-$3k tops. If you buy used you can even sell the stuff for pretty much what you paid for it if it flops.

Another good one would be patio extensions for all the tract homes being built. They build them with these stupid 6x6 patios and you can't even put a grill and table on them at the same time. A guy on craigslist charges $400 in labor and you pay retail for the concrete that is delivered. Probably takes about 5 hours start to finish to do it, as I did it myself with my father in law in about 3 hours.
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Old 10-26-2010, 12:39 AM
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So pick a business with a low startup cost and low capital requirement. My neighbor pays a guy to mow her lawn, he has an old pickup, a trailer, a push lawn mower, and a weed trimmer. $25/pop to mow lawns. Out of pocket costs to start that...probably around $2k-$3k tops. If you buy used you can even sell the stuff for pretty much what you paid for it if it flops.

Another good one would be patio extensions for all the tract homes being built. They build them with these stupid 6x6 patios and you can't even put a grill and table on them at the same time. A guy on craigslist charges $400 in labor and you pay retail for the concrete that is delivered. Probably takes about 5 hours start to finish to do it, as I did it myself with my father in law in about 3 hours.
Is this the post-recession American Dream? Competing with the illegals to do manual labor?
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Old 10-26-2010, 01:36 AM
 
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Honestly I think you are giving a misleading perspective on starting your own business. I'm not making this stuff up. Look up stats on it.

I'm not saying all businesses fail. But a lot do. And a lot take a while to turn a profit. And most need some kind of starting capital.
I'm not saying that you are making stuff up. But you are discouraging people from running on their own. Businesses do fail for sure. I have failures to go along with my successes. I am speaking up from personal experience though. There are ways out of being slave to the corporate teet. It's a choice.

The easiest way to go on your own is to freelance. Requires little or no startup fees and brings in more than what a fulltime job would. Once you get yourself a gig, then start finding gigs for other people and branch out.

There's no need for huge investment.
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Old 10-26-2010, 01:42 AM
 
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Is this the post-recession American Dream? Competing with the illegals to do manual labor?
It's not as bad as you make it sound. I know a guy in our town that's built himself up to pulling in close to $100k doing landscaping. He used to be a bankteller before he got laid off in 2006. I know $100k isn't much but it beats being unemployed and his business is growing.
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Old 10-26-2010, 08:05 AM
 
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Is this the post-recession American Dream? Competing with the illegals to do manual labor?
Well my point was that even someone with no technical skills and very little money can operate a business and feed his family.

If they can do it, any reason why someone with a better head on their shoulders couldn't do it?

Plus, Americans need to realize we can't all stay home and take surveys online to pay the bills. Some people actually need to do some actual work *gasp*.

The bigger turf care companies in your town didn't start off with covered trailers and zero turn radius mowers and a crew of 5. They started just the same way and the owner grew the business.
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Old 10-26-2010, 11:47 PM
 
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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I'm not even sure why you responded to my post. I clearly was talking about companies (I mentioned it several times in my post) yet you responded with a rant against the government. In summation, I really don't give a crud if you agree with me .
That's because those are the unions I've had personal experience with (bad ones I might add). Likewise, I don't really care if we agree or not so enjoy your life.
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Old 10-27-2010, 08:24 AM
 
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That's because those are the unions I've had personal experience with (bad ones I might add). Likewise, I don't really care if we agree or not so enjoy your life.
So why quote me and write this?

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