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Old 09-04-2019, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Redwood Shores, CA
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I only learnt about a couple years ago, that some waiter and waitress jobs get below minimum wage from their employer, something like $1.5 per hour. Tips make up the rest. For this kind of structure, I think tips in the 20% would seem reasonable (otherwise I think 20% tips, as some restaurants suggest on the bill, is too high.)

My question is do ALL waiters and waitresses make this wage? And what are some of the borderline jobs such as coffee shop workers? How do I tell who makes $1.50 hourly wage?

These days it seems everyone is asking for tips.
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Old 09-04-2019, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Tricity, PL
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I think most waitstaff and service personnel in the United States works for tips. (a shame, really)
The U.S. has a bizarre government-imposed system that bans servers from sharing tips with cooks, dishwashers and other staff who do not interact with customers and at the same time allows restaurants to pay waiters just $2.13 per hour because they are expected to make up the difference with the federal minimum wage. But they DO get paid minimum wage IF their tips do not equal or exceed minimum wage. So, the frequent assertion that waiters "do not make minimum wage" is a myth. Federal regulations see to this.
If a restaurant owner’s waitstaff’s tips, when added to their wage, does not equal or exceed minimum wage, the employer must make up the difference. By denying tips, you are denying the opportunity for a waiter’s income to exceed the minimum wage. Seven states have made their minimum wage and tip wage the same.


There might be more going on, though:
https://www.nelp.org/publication/wai...heir-earnings/

The others, who don't work for minimum wage but still ask or expect tips are pure opportunists. However, most people are so anxious and uninformed about who and why should get tips, that they are willing to tip just about everyone who asks for it.
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Old 09-04-2019, 07:18 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Yes, the majority do. When I waited tables I made about $2 an hour. I never received a paycheck, it all went to taxes. The only money I put in the bank was tips.
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Old 09-05-2019, 06:35 AM
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Location: A Yankee in northeast TN
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I think most waitstaff and service personnel in the United States works for tips. (a shame, really)
The U.S. has a bizarre government-imposed system that bans servers from sharing tips with cooks, dishwashers and other staff who do not interact with customers and at the same time allows restaurants to pay waiters just $2.13 per hour because they are expected to make up the difference with the federal minimum wage. But they DO get paid minimum wage IF their tips do not equal or exceed minimum wage. So, the frequent assertion that waiters "do not make minimum wage" is a myth. Federal regulations see to this.
If a restaurant owner’s waitstaff’s tips, when added to their wage, does not equal or exceed minimum wage, the employer must make up the difference. By denying tips, you are denying the opportunity for a waiter’s income to exceed the minimum wage. Seven states have made their minimum wage and tip wage the same.


There might be more going on, though:
https://www.nelp.org/publication/wai...heir-earnings/

The others, who don't work for minimum wage but still ask or expect tips are pure opportunists. However, most people are so anxious and uninformed about who and why should get tips, that they are willing to tip just about everyone who asks for it.
In reality a lot of places do not follow those laws, just like a lot of places hire undocumented workers under the table. Speaking from family experience. I hope people don't assume that if they don't tip the employer will make up the difference, they often don't.
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Old 09-05-2019, 08:16 AM
 
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Maybe a bit off the OPs intent, but I'm always cautious when folks post their concerns about the low wages of wait-staff.


In short - it depends on the restaurant. For most servers - changing from tips to minimum wage would be a pay cut.
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Old 09-05-2019, 08:32 AM
 
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I used to date a waitress. There are days when she made almost nothing and there are days where she earns a few hundreds in 1 shift.

Her trick was to not focus so much on how much she made on any particular day but rather on how much she made in the past 3 months.

She was pulling more than minimum wage when she looks like the big picture.

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Old 09-05-2019, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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I really dislike posts like this. Like because someone "needs" tips, therefore I should tip more. It doesn't work that way. I tip for service. Someone's unhappiness with their wage structure isn't my problem. Want more? Step up the service. If you "can't", then I won't be tipping much, and if that's gonna put you in the poorhouse, maybe consider another line of work.


Those who are so unhappy about how waitstaff are paid are free to move to Europe, where they're "paid a fair living wage". That's reflected in the price you'll pay, but hey... you're getting what you want!
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Old 09-05-2019, 08:54 AM
 
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It depends what state. My sister is in fine dining she makes min wage $15/hr in WA plus tips which are $350-$1000k/night.
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Old 09-05-2019, 09:14 AM
 
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I really dislike posts like this. Like because someone "needs" tips, therefore I should tip more. It doesn't work that way. I tip for service. Someone's unhappiness with their wage structure isn't my problem. Want more? Step up the service. If you "can't", then I won't be tipping much, and if that's gonna put you in the poorhouse, maybe consider another line of work.


Those who are so unhappy about how waitstaff are paid are free to move to Europe, where they're "paid a fair living wage". That's reflected in the price you'll pay, but hey... you're getting what you want!
sounds good, Mr. Pink
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Old 09-05-2019, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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sounds good, Mr. Pink

Mr. Pink never tipped. I do, when and as warranted. Which is most of the time and 20%


But I'm not giving out money to someone who does a bad job because I'm supposed to somehow feel bad for them.
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