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Old 12-03-2013, 06:01 PM
 
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This is getting crazy. Internships were the new "foot in the door" to companies, I thought. Now they're only taking people who already have experience in the form of an internship.
I'll raise you true intro jobs that require 3-5 years of prior experience.
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Old 12-03-2013, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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The bottom line is employers want to save as much money as possible. The process for finding just about any job now a days requires "experience". Companies have hundreds, maybe thousands, of applicants and use all those damn questionnaires and tests to weed out the ones they don't like. Hiring someone is partially subjective anyway.
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Old 12-03-2013, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Corona the I.E.
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This is just another example of passing the costs for a functioning society on to "somebody else"

1) Training takes time and money - let "somebody else" do it, and then only hire experienced people.

2) Pay your workers badly, but assume that "somebody else" will pay them well enough to afford the products and services you provide.

3) Complain loud and long about paying any taxes at all, but assume "somebody else" will pay up so you can still have roads to drive on, police, fire departments, etc.

It's an idiotic joke since even a child could figure out this won't work in the long run once we run out of "somebody else" to pay the bill... but hey - so long as somebody makes money now, who cares?

The ultimate irony is that the strongest supporters of passing the costs on to "somebody else" are also the ones who rant the loudest against "socialism" and "communism." It's funny since they hate the concept of people all chipping in, but they sure do love the concept of passing costs along to "somebody else!"
Stop it With all of your logical posting This site is for trolls don't you know

Let me see if CD will let me rep you again.
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Old 12-03-2013, 07:45 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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When I was looking for internships not all that long ago I saw tons of them that required previous internship experience. Probably about one third of them. I also saw many that required at least 2 years experience. It has gotten a little ridiculous since the great recession.

Things college kids should be told, but usually aren't:

1. Get a job in something halfway relevant to your major. Waiting tables to put yourself through college doesn't really cut it anymore.
2. Start looking for internships as soon as possible. It may take you years to land one and it can be extremely hard to get your first job with one let alone without.
3. Start saving money as soon as possible for your internship or prepare to go into debt to do it. You will likely have to relocate somewhere for 3 months and pay for both your housing there (most likely a hotel or motel) and your house/apartment where your college is (if you're not living with your parents) at the same time. Even if your internship pays fairly well it probably won't be enough to cover your costs. Hopefully your job will take you back after leaving them for 3 months.
4. For most internships you pretty much need a GPA > 3.0. Many list this as a requirement, and not just technical science-based fields. Many companies list a GPA > 3.2 as a requirement. Others may not list it as a requirement but may want a higher GPA. If you party too much your first year and dig yourself into a hole it can make things really difficult for you years later. Even if you have great grades your junior and senior year you might not get a chance to show them that progression because your cumulative GPA is too low to get a chance to explain that to them.
5. Network as much as possible. Unless you have an outstanding academic record you're probably not likely to land an internship unless you know someone.
6. Most companies require you to be enrolled in school the semester following your internship. So if you complete all your coursework and then try to do an internship you won't be eligible for most of them.
7. Most internships will require a background check. If you have a DUI or pot bust or something on your record you're effectively blacklisted.

The problem is most of the people advising them graduated college in a different time and aren't really aware of how it is today. There is a glut of labor and bachelor's degrees are a dime a dozen. Everything has shifted downward. There are a lot of overqualified people fighting for positions and companies have the upper hand and can be really selective.

The reality is if you finish college with a 3.2 GPA from an average state school, your experience is stocking the shelves at Sam's Club and waiting tables at Ruby Tuesday's, and you haven't done any significant networking...good luck even getting an interview for an internship.

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Old 12-03-2013, 07:55 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Excellent post EugeneOnegin!

All I would add is that unpaid internships are far easier to get than paid internship. One may not get to gain/learn as much as they would at a paid/formal internship but it is an internship nonetheless; looks good on the resume + counts towards experience + you get to learn some real-life work in a professional workplace. Remember that a couple unpaid internship with 3.2 GPA is far more impressive on a resume than no experience with 3.7 GPA.
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Old 12-03-2013, 10:36 PM
 
Location: Cleveland and Columbus OH
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Excellent post EugeneOnegin!

All I would add is that unpaid internships are far easier to get than paid internship. One may not get to gain/learn as much as they would at a paid/formal internship but it is an internship nonetheless; looks good on the resume + counts towards experience + you get to learn some real-life work in a professional workplace. Remember that a couple unpaid internship with 3.2 GPA is far more impressive on a resume than no experience with 3.7 GPA.
I think most people want a couple internships AND a 3.7.

A 3.2 isn't really so great, if you're a serious student.
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Old 12-04-2013, 12:57 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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I think most people want a couple internships AND a 3.7.

A 3.2 isn't really so great, if you're a serious student.
Most people may want a 4.0 and a couple internships; that's a different discussion (I personally hate judging a student based on just the GPA). What I was suggesting is that as a hiring manager, I would be far more impressed with a 3.2 GPA and a couple internships than a 3.7 with none.
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Old 12-04-2013, 04:13 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Most people may want a 4.0 and a couple internships; that's a different discussion (I personally hate judging a student based on just the GPA). What I was suggesting is that as a hiring manager, I would be far more impressed with a 3.2 GPA and a couple internships than a 3.7 with none.
That it's still subjective in the least because out could be a "tough" or "easy" major. I still think unless there was some glaring difference you would go for the 3.7 with internship experience.

As for EugeneOregon's post, they are right. The only thing I say to that it's it is tough. To get a chance to work directly with your major outside of an internship is tough. To get an internship and finish in X-time (4 or 5 years) mainly because you cannot take a full boat during those semester(s).
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Old 12-04-2013, 04:52 AM
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Location: Florida
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sure, but if one is willing, they find one.
Wrong. If everyone is willing, then that further depreciates the value of work (good ol' supply and demand) meaning that there aren't jobs that pay enough to help folks pay their own way - for anyone. Failing to see the macroeconomic impact of your microeconomic scenario is effectively like failing to see the forest for the trees.
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Old 12-04-2013, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I'll raise you true intro jobs that require 3-5 years of prior experience.
lol this. I only have two years of corporate accounting experience, however I dont qualify for most jobs in my region because they require 3-5 years of experience. The best part? They pay less than what I make now in my current role.
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