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Old 12-04-2013, 06:40 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Wrong. If everyone is willing, then that further depreciates the value of work (good ol' supply and demand) meaning that there aren't jobs that pay enough to help folks pay their own way - for anyone. Failing to see the macroeconomic impact of your microeconomic scenario is effectively like failing to see the forest for the trees.
There are a lot of people out there that seem to think demand for jobs creates jobs. If that were true then there would be no unemployment as unemployment is the measure of people LOOKING FOR WORK.
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Old 12-04-2013, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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I'll raise you true intro jobs that require 3-5 years of prior experience.
I agree, that is sickening. It seems like they just want entry-level pay for above entry-level expectations.
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Old 12-04-2013, 01:15 PM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
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Entry level means the lowest level position in the organization, it doesn't mean that no experience is required. When there are more job openings than applicants, people with no experience could get these jobs. Now there are plenty of experienced people available so companies can and will require experience. It reduces their cost of training, and the new employee becomes productive faster. The reason for having a business is to make money, that means maximize revenue while minimizing expense.
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Old 12-04-2013, 01:17 PM
 
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This is getting crazy. Internships were the new "foot in the door" to companies, I thought. Now they're only taking people who already have experience in the form of an internship.
And five years experience at that!
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Old 12-05-2013, 12:29 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Entry level means the lowest level position in the organization, it doesn't mean that no experience is required. When there are more job openings than applicants, people with no experience could get these jobs. Now there are plenty of experienced people available so companies can and will require experience. It reduces their cost of training, and the new employee becomes productive faster. The reason for having a business is to make money, that means maximize revenue while minimizing expense.
The issue is companies at some point WILL need to train because of short-sided cost savings measures they enacted during the recession and maintained through the recovery. They want turn-key employees but what do you do when you can't find them or worse, have to replace older workers who are in different roles?
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Old 12-05-2013, 03:03 AM
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Location: Florida
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Beyond that, since the matter includes what society should do in terms of regulating internships, Hemlock140 needs to answer the question: What is the reason for having a society?
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Old 12-06-2013, 10:17 AM
 
Location: NY/ STL (soon)
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I went on TWO interviews before my internship was offered! It's simply the new reality in this crazy job market.
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