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Old 09-10-2014, 05:51 AM
 
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We are screwed collectively as a world.

Robots are replacing us as we speak.

The richer are getting richer, while the middle class is disappearing and the poor get poorer.

Everyone is competing for scraps and whatever minimum wage job they can find (or two or three at the same time).
The riddle isn't hard to solve.

At some point, the rich will realize that there is no consumer demand for their products other than their rich peers. Developed countries will face the prospect of 10% of the population subsidizing the welfare of the other 90%. The irony is... the rich create this problem by slashing jobs.

Solutions:
-Basic income for all humans
-Union & job protections for able-industries

We have to preserve jobs in some way. Even if a robot can do everything by mid-century, what becomes of the 9 billion humans by then? We will either be doing nothing or killing each other.
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Old 09-10-2014, 06:25 AM
 
Location: USA
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There's no fix for this outside of a massive worldwide ebola outbreak, but nobody wants that!
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Old 09-10-2014, 06:33 AM
 
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Perhaps the quest for constant attainment of material wealth has finally ended for the bottom 50%. If your poor in America, you would be better off living off the land than working to acquire nothing. We cannot force companies to hire people, and give paychecks we already have enough sheep. Funny how they cry wolf about their sales going down, or try to blame other factors besides an inferior product like olive garden. Maybe the middle class expects more than overcooked pasta for $15.00 a plate.
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Old 09-10-2014, 06:47 AM
 
Location: N Atlanta
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If this is true, expect government around the world to take steps to keep jobs in their countries, and to preserve existing jobs. Except in the US, where politicians encourage the exporting of jobs. Will nations grateful for sending our jobs to them help bail us out? Not likely.
It will take an economic collapse the size of the Great Depression for the U.S. to stop exporting jobs and being the world's benefactor. Washington somehow has gotten the notion that the poverty-stricken around the world are more important that the poverty-stricken at home.

Time to close the doors, bring all jobs home, and become self-sufficient.
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Old 09-10-2014, 06:52 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The riddle isn't hard to solve.

At some point, the rich will realize that there is no consumer demand for their products other than their rich peers. Developed countries will face the prospect of 10% of the population subsidizing the welfare of the other 90%. The irony is... the rich create this problem by slashing jobs.

Solutions:
-Basic income for all humans
-Union & job protections for able-industries

We have to preserve jobs in some way. Even if a robot can do everything by mid-century, what becomes of the 9 billion humans by then? We will either be doing nothing or killing each other.
Whats more likely to happen when the bottom 90% run out of money is we will revert back to a feudal system where the rich own the land and the poor work it.
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Old 09-10-2014, 07:03 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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The ancient Egyptians had this problem back in the day, when the population had nothing to do for half the year when they weren't growing crops. With all those people sitting around with nothing to do for six months, the leaders realized they had to do something, as idle populations aren't very conductive for maintaining a civilized, cohesive society. So what did the leaders of that era do? They created the largest public work program in human history by way of the mighty Pyramids. That's how they were able to keep everybody busy, by having them work on the pyramids when they weren't growing food.

With automation, we're facing the same sort of problem in today's world, and something will have to be done - like building pyramids.

I say that governments around the world just print up the money that's needed to pay them and start building - solely for the purpose of putting people to work. I would suggest here in the US, we start with 10-15 Pyramids, and make them 4000 feet tall, instead of merely 400...lol. Pay workers a high wage, like $30 an hour, and this would suck up all the unemployed, as well as those who work crappy min wage jobs (bye-bye McDonald's...lol), and the economy would boom, as everyone would have plenty of money to spend, as well as having the pride of putting in a good day's work.

Of course, the other alternative is just to give everyone a Basic Income, but I think this would be bad for society, as idle populations tend not to fare well - just look at the "flash mobs" that have been common lately. It's far better to put people to work than to have them sit around doing nothing (except drink and do drugs) all day - idleness has a way of sucking life out of people's souls, and it's just not a good course for society to take, IMO.

Besides, pyramids are cool.
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Old 09-10-2014, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The ancient Egyptians had this problem back in the day, when the population had nothing to do for half the year when they weren't growing crops. With all those people sitting around with nothing to do for six months, the leaders realized they had to do something, as idle populations aren't very conductive for maintaining a civilized, cohesive society. So what did the leaders of that era do? They created the largest public work program in human history by way of the mighty Pyramids. That's how they were able to keep everybody busy, by having them work on the pyramids when they weren't growing food.

With automation, we're facing the same sort of problem in today's world, and something will have to be done - like building pyramids.

I say that governments around the world just print up the money that's needed to pay them and start building - solely for the purpose of putting people to work. I would suggest here in the US, we start with 10-15 Pyramids, and make them 4000 feet tall, instead of merely 400...lol. Pay workers a high wage, like $30 an hour, and this would suck up all the unemployed, as well as those who work crappy min wage jobs (bye-bye McDonald's...lol), and the economy would boom, as everyone would have plenty of money to spend, as well as having the pride of putting in a good day's work.

Of course, the other alternative is just to give everyone a Basic Income, but I think this would be bad for society, as idle populations tend not to fare well - just look at the "flash mobs" that have been common lately. It's far better to put people to work than to have them sit around doing nothing (except drink and do drugs) all day - idleness has a way of sucking life out of people's souls, and it's just not a good course for society to take, IMO.

Besides, pyramids are cool.
Are you seriously taking a process used by a monarchy ruled agricultural society and trying to apply them to a capitalist representative democracy? You cant just print money and give it to people or it will devalue the money.
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Old 09-10-2014, 07:20 AM
 
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Whats more likely to happen when the bottom 90% run out of money is we will revert back to a feudal system where the rich own the land and the poor work it.
We're not far from that. But what if they don't need people to work the land? Automation has already replaced most farm workers. What if the ruling elite just decides that they don't need 90% of us?
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Old 09-10-2014, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Are you seriously taking a process used by a monarchy ruled agricultural society and trying to apply them to a capitalist representative democracy? You cant just print money and give it to people or it will devalue the money.
They gave trillions of free, freshly-ginned money to the banker folk when we had the crash in '08, and I didn't see any inflation, did you? Money printing CAN work so long as the available supply of money doesn't exceed the amount of resources and labor available in the economy. We have a huge surplus of both, so money printing would be a viable solution to our problem of surplus labor.

As for the kind of society we have compared to the ancient Egyptians, I don't think it matters. If our democratic society has a dire need to put people to work, I fail to see why an incredibly massive public works project wouldn't work - it worked in the 1930's depression, after all.

Here's another idea for a mind-boggling public works project that would do an awesome job of sucking up the world's unemployed: Build a series of bridges across the world's oceans, so people can travel from continent to continent without the need for ships or air travel. If cars and trucks could be developed to travel at 200 mph, it'd only take 25 hours to reach Tokyo from LA.

"Overseas Truck Driver" - now that's a job I'd not mind having.
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Old 09-10-2014, 07:34 AM
 
Location: North Texas
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We're not far from that. But what if they don't need people to work the land? Automation has already replaced most farm workers. What if the ruling elite just decides that they don't need 90% of us?
That's my assumption; they'll feed the slaves they need and let the rest of us starve or kill each other.

We're heading for neo-industrial feudalism.
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