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They gave trillions of free, freshly-ginned money to the banker folk when we had the crash in '08, and I didn't see any inflation, did you? Money printing CAN work so long as the available supply of money doesn't exceed the amount of resources and labor available in the economy. We have a huge surplus of both, so money printing would be a viable solution to our problem of surplus labor.
As for the kind of society we have compared to the ancient Egyptians, I don't think it matters. If our democratic society has a dire need to put people to work, I fail to see why an incredibly massive public works project wouldn't work - it worked in the 1930's depression, after all.
Here's another idea for a mind-boggling public works project that would do an awesome job of sucking up the world's unemployed: Build a series of bridges across the world's oceans, so people can travel from continent to continent without the need for ships or air travel. If cars and trucks could be developed to travel at 200 mph, it'd only take 25 hours to reach Tokyo from LA.
"Overseas Truck Driver" - now that's a job I'd not mind having.
Yes we HAVE seen inflation. What they haven't told you is the govt modified the CPI index calculation so that inflation doesn't look as bad as it actually is. Go buy a cut of beef, milk, gas, or vegetables and youll see that impact of inflation. If the housing market hadn't taken a nose dive then youd see inflation there too. Anytime you dump money into an economy youre going to affect the inflation.
We're not far from that. But what if they don't need people to work the land? Automation has already replaced most farm workers. What if the ruling elite just decides that they don't need 90% of us?
If the elite was smart, they'd do everything they could to stop people from having children. No more welfare moms, putting extra taxes on child-bearers, that sort of thing. If the United States had a population of just 75 million instead of the 320+ million we have today, just imagine how easy it'd be to get a job, or anything else for that matter. The only problem is that it'd take a couple of centuries to get our population to such a sustainable level.
This is why I advocate stupendous public works projects for the sole purpose of putting people to work. I have a feeling that's what China's been doing the past couple of decades to keep their population at 100% employment - building all those empty cities and monster dams, etc. They may not really need those extra cities, but they DO need to keep their people working, so what seems like a colossal waste to us is really smart policy. China has been booming for decades and they will continue to boom, so long as everyone has a job. The minute they stop doing that, it's curtain time for the great China Miracle.
If the elite was smart, they'd do everything they could to stop people from having children. No more welfare moms, putting extra taxes on child-bearers, that sort of thing. If the United States had a population of just 75 million instead of the 320+ million we have today, just imagine how easy it'd be to get a job, or anything else for that matter. The only problem is that it'd take a couple of centuries to get our population to such a sustainable level.
This is why I advocate stupendous public works projects for the sole purpose of putting people to work. I have a feeling that's what China's been doing the past couple of decades to keep their population at 100% employment - building all those empty cities and monster dams, etc. They may not really need those extra cities, but they DO need to keep their people working, so what seems like a colossal waste to us is really smart policy. China has been booming for decades and they will continue to boom, so long as everyone has a job. The minute they stop doing that, it's curtain time for the great China Miracle.
Its true that idle minds do go wandering. And when you have almost 2 billion people being controlled by an outdated, overreaching ruling class, it doesn't usually end well for said ruling class. Ask the French.
Its true that idle minds do go wandering. And when you have almost 2 billion people being controlled by an outdated, overreaching ruling class, it doesn't usually end well for said ruling class. Ask the French.
Exactly, and the really disturbing question is what will the rich and powerful do with all the un-needed human workers?
Well, Henry Kissinger describes those un-needed human workers as "useless eaters" and seems to agree with the global depopulation part of Agenda 21. Henry has extremely wealthy and powerful friends who also go along with that idea, and it's no secret. Such groups as the Club of Rome, of which Al Gore is a member, are all for reducing the global population by 90% or so. Whether they would do this through warfare or a planned program we cannot say, but the idea is out there among those who could bring it about.
Please understand that companies work for profits, not people. Why do you think companies are outsourcing jobs to third world countries & hiring immigrants to work here in USA? Outsourcing is not just limited to telemarketing, call center, manufacturing jobs. A lot of white collar jobs are also being shipped overseas. Here's how a company benefits from them:
Outsourcing: Jobs are leaving because the regulations here are very strict compared to 3rd world countries. You have environmentalists pounding the company for waste management & pollution, govt fining you for violating regulations & emissions, employees demanding healthcare that costs a lot to the businessman. If they build a factory in a country like India or China, the company gets a corrupt govt. that are easily bought out, employees who are happy with just salary (healthcare is dirt cheap in these countries so you dont need any health insurance), you can afford 20ppl in the salary of 1 person in usa, environment is not an issue because its already polluted & toxic. So the cost of production goes way down & when they bring the products to USA, they have a very high profit margin as opposed to products made in usa. Dont expect a businessman to follow strict regulations, pay for high healthcare costs, deal with environmentalists & cut their profits when they have a very easy way out by making their products overseas. You will sue the companies for millions of dollars & shutdown them down for polluting a river & then complain about no jobs? This is the high price you pay for good quality of life, human rights, clean enironment & being very strict with job creators. You chase them away to countries that compromise on these issues.
Immigration: Same logic as above. You have a lot of immigrants from India & China who come here with values of 3rd world countries - education & hard work for survival. Immigrants are ready to take huge pay cuts if they can get jobs in usa. They will work extra & get advanced degrees just for job security. Conditions are pretty bad in their countries so a medical doctor doesn't mind working in a restaurant in usa just for the paycheck & no benefits. So you have desperate overqualified workers, ready to take a paycut & work extra hours just to stay in this country. So why hire a usa citizen who will demand fair treatment?
If you want to do something about it, dont complain about the companies. The govt. works for the people, businessmen dont. Make it difficult for companies to do business overseas & tax them heavily to bring back the money to usa & invest in welfare, unemployment programs. Instead, your govt gives them tax breaks for outsourcing. Cut health care costs & set a limit for how much you can sue the company for not following regulations. Dont punish them so severely that they shutdown the company that was supporting jobs in usa & take it elsewhere. When they dont see any merits for taking their jobs outside usa, they will stay home. If it is cheaper & healthier to eat outside, then why cook at home?
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There is a way to keep the 90% employed and productive. Fixed the massively failing infrastructer in this country!
The street in front of me is like driving in Bangladesh, it's so chewed up. It's a state highway too. Our bridges, roads, ferry systems, transportation systems they could all use help.
You can go to any National Park in the country, talk to the park superintendant, and they will show you a list a mile long of backlogged projects that never get done, because they don't have the resources.
There's plenty to do here that can provide a job to someone, we just have to have the will as a society to do it.
At some point, the rich will realize that there is no consumer demand for their products other than their rich peers. Developed countries will face the prospect of 10% of the population subsidizing the welfare of the other 90%. The irony is... the rich create this problem by slashing jobs.
Solutions:
-Basic income for all humans
-Union & job protections for able-industries
We have to preserve jobs in some way. Even if a robot can do everything by mid-century, what becomes of the 9 billion humans by then? We will either be doing nothing or killing each other.
It is sort of funny in a tragic way. "Human productivity is higher than it has ever been! We're doomed!"
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Are you seriously taking a process used by a monarchy ruled agricultural society and trying to apply them to a capitalist representative democracy? You cant just print money and give it to people or it will devalue the money.
Actually the ability to easily print money and give it to people means it would be even easier for us to do than the Egyptions.
Please understand that companies work for profits, not people. Why do you think companies are outsourcing jobs to third world countries & hiring immigrants to work here in USA? Outsourcing is not just limited to telemarketing, call center, manufacturing jobs. A lot of white collar jobs are also being shipped overseas. Here's how a company benefits from them:
Outsourcing: Jobs are leaving because the regulations here are very strict compared to 3rd world countries. You have environmentalists pounding the company for waste management & pollution, govt fining you for violating regulations & emissions, employees demanding healthcare that costs a lot to the businessman. If they build a factory in a country like India or China, the company gets a corrupt govt. that are easily bought out, employees who are happy with just salary (healthcare is dirt cheap in these countries so you dont need any health insurance), you can afford 20ppl in the salary of 1 person in usa, environment is not an issue because its already polluted & toxic. So the cost of production goes way down & when they bring the products to USA, they have a very high profit margin as opposed to products made in usa. Dont expect a businessman to follow strict regulations, pay for high healthcare costs, deal with environmentalists & cut their profits when they have a very easy way out by making their products overseas. You will sue the companies for millions of dollars & shutdown them down for polluting a river & then complain about no jobs? This is the high price you pay for good quality of life, human rights, clean enironment & being very strict with job creators. You chase them away to countries that compromise on these issues.
Immigration: Same logic as above. You have a lot of immigrants from India & China who come here with values of 3rd world countries - education & hard work for survival. Immigrants are ready to take huge pay cuts if they can get jobs in usa. They will work extra & get advanced degrees just for job security. Conditions are pretty bad in their countries so a medical doctor doesn't mind working in a restaurant in usa just for the paycheck & no benefits. So you have desperate overqualified workers, ready to take a paycut & work extra hours just to stay in this country. So why hire a usa citizen who will demand fair treatment?
If you want to do something about it, dont complain about the companies. The govt. works for the people, businessmen dont. Make it difficult for companies to do business overseas & tax them heavily to bring back the money to usa & invest in welfare, unemployment programs. Instead, your govt gives them tax breaks for outsourcing. Cut health care costs & set a limit for how much you can sue the company for not following regulations. Dont punish them so severely that they shutdown the company that was supporting jobs in usa & take it elsewhere. When they dont see any merits for taking their jobs outside usa, they will stay home. If it is cheaper & healthier to eat outside, then why cook at home?
We're not far from that. But what if they don't need people to work the land? Automation has already replaced most farm workers. What if the ruling elite just decides that they don't need 90% of us?
Then the 90% should strike first and "take care" of the ruling elite permanently and start governing themselves, if you get my drift ...
Does anyone really think the 90% will just sit in slaughterhouses waiting to be killed by the ruling elite?
I say fight to the death and since we have them vastly outnumbered, they better mind their manners.
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Dont blame the companies. Change your laws
