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Old 11-17-2014, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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When you're young you can easily have a rich social life working only 60/hrs a week. Lets not go overboard.
When I was 19, I worked a second shift factory job during the summer. Now, granted, it was physical work and second shift, but I had absolutely no life for that entire summer. By the time Sunday rolled around (our one guaranteed day off), I was just exhausted and didn't feel like doing anything except laying around the house and resting up.

Working 50-60 hours per week in short bursts is OK. Doing it consistently week after week, month after month, is a great way to get completely exhausted and burned out. No thanks.
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Old 11-17-2014, 01:22 PM
 
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Seems like a lot for any position regardless of experience level. Don't know if OP has kids but seems like you'd be missing a lot if kids were in the picture.
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Old 11-17-2014, 01:54 PM
 
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I laugh when i read stories like this, and trust me, it's not just with entry jobs. People think it's normal working more than 40 hours as salary. Hate to tell you but it's not.

It's cause you let them take advantage of you. i.e sucker.

I didn't become salary until my 3rd FT job after college and believe me, they tried to get me to work 60 hours/week during the first month. After the first week, i calculated that I was actually making less per hour than my very first job as a teenager working part time in retail. I turned around and requested that they convert me to hourly. They said they couldn't, so I said I quit and that it wasn't worth it working there since I was losing money.

I knew my value, and trust me, it wasn't $45k a year for 60 hours per week.

I'm currently on salary right now and I make it a point to not even work anywhere near 40 hours a week. I artificially give myself a raise that way (haha). I would say I work maybe 15 hours a week, but get paid six figures ( I'm in management).

also, keep in mind, it is not your company, you do not own it, so why care so much. Also, they can let you go any any point for any reason or no reason. I know entry level workers want to do well, but do you seriously want to work for a company that takes advantage of you like that?

One thing people dont really think about is "Opportunity Cost"... if you dont know what that means, look it up!!
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Old 11-17-2014, 02:35 PM
 
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It's cause you let them take advantage of you. i.e sucker.
Exactly!! Although I don't like to use the word sucker. Working late now and then to finish a project is one thing. 60 hours a week, week after week, month after month is foolish and a waste of your life IMO.
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Old 11-17-2014, 02:38 PM
 
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Hopefully one day I'll be in a position to fund a study exploring whether a company is more successful overall and effects on productivity if you have a ratio of two salaried workers working 35 hours a week each versus having one salaried worker work 70 hours a week.
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Old 11-17-2014, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Northern VA
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That sounds awful tbh. I'm entry level doing programming and have yet to work over 40 hrs a week.
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Old 11-17-2014, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Southwest Minneapolis
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I don't think I've ever heard of a 60/hour a week outside sales job that is salary only. There are many pros and cons to sales careers in general. Usually the biggest plus is that you determine how much you make by earning commissions. In most cases, you are trading a lower floor (small base salary or no base salary) for a much higher ceiling/earning potential. This job sounds like the worst of all worlds.

The fact that the company follows Japanese tradition goes a long way towards explaining why it is the way it is. You have what they call a "salary man" position and unlimited work is part of the deal in Japan. I'm surprised you're not expected to go to Enkai (going out with your boss and coworkers, usually with LOTS of drinking and Karaoke) after work on a regular basis.

Maybe you can get some experience in the field and then go work for an American/European/Korean competitor that offers a more entrepreneurial opportunity?
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Old 11-17-2014, 03:27 PM
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The OP is being taken advantage of, pure and simple.
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Old 11-17-2014, 03:38 PM
 
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The OP is being taken advantage of, pure and simple.

It's a sales position, a real estate agent makes little salary and can work 60-70 hours a week. You either making money or you don't. If he is working 60 hours for 35k a year, then there are easier way to mak emor emoney for working less.
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Old 11-17-2014, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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I think this thread it's the epitome of work smarter, not harder. If you can work for a company and make 35K 9-5 vs. 35K on call, most of its would take 9-5. If you get paid say 50k on call, it starts to be a bit more of a case where the juice is worth the squeeze. The issue ids because off the competitive job market, companies think they can take advantage of you and you won't say no because you don't have a new job lined up.
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