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Old 11-18-2014, 04:33 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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When I got my first job after college, I didn't pay attention to the number of hours I worked above and beyond. I instead focused on doing all that I could to make sure I exceeded what was expected of me, and learn all I could. I focused on the quality of my work rather than how many hours I was working above and beyond.

I think you need to quit worrying about what might be considered "normal", since there is no set rule across the board, and focus on being excellent no matter how many hours you have to put in. For entry-level, it is expected that you are willing to do whatever it takes.
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Old 11-18-2014, 06:04 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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You could be stuck in the opposite. No hours and no money. 29 hours is what Obama created. The limit before full time benefits happen. So there are a lot of 29ers. Or no job. I was a truck driver and worked 70 or more a week.
It seems employers want more from people. My sister was told to do three people's jobs at the same time. If she wouldn't they told her to quit. The economy is tough.
Yeah, except there's no real evidence that companies are limiting people's hours en masse due to Obamacare. I've seen the "29er" thing referenced here before and it seems like a meme that some right wingers are trying to push without any real data to back it up.

Also, regarding the "Japanese work ethic", which some people try to hold in such high regard: Japan has been in a recession for about the last 20 years, so how well is that working for them? Young people are underemployed in huge numbers, and that country is known for a high suicide rate. I don't think emulating the Japanese work model is something America should aspire to.
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Old 11-18-2014, 06:50 AM
 
Location: JobHuntingHacker.com
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Yeah, except there's no real evidence that companies are limiting people's hours en masse due to Obamacare. I've seen the "29er" thing referenced here before and it seems like a meme that some right wingers are trying to push without any real data to back it up.
The 29 hour thing has existed for many years before Obama. When I first entered the work force 15-16 years ago, my company hired part time sales people and they couldn't log in more than 29 hours because then they would qualify for FT benefits and it meant paying health and other costs.

So I assume it must have existed for some time before that and I doubt it was a local state thing.
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Old 11-18-2014, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Eastern Colorado
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The 29 hour thing has existed for many years before Obama. When I first entered the work force 15-16 years ago, my company hired part time sales people and they couldn't log in more than 29 hours because then they would qualify for FT benefits and it meant paying health and other costs.

So I assume it must have existed for some time before that and I doubt it was a local state thing.
It may have been a local or state thing, in most states it was over 32 hours.
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Old 11-18-2014, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Raleigh
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OP, speaking from Prior experience, it is the industry. It can be brutal. I would stick it out til you at least have 12 months.
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Old 11-18-2014, 10:03 AM
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Location: Pittsburgh
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I'm in an entry level position, my first since graduating. I get paid a salary and an end of year bonus (unspecified). It is an outside sales position with no commission, but a $15 for any travel over 150 miles for lunch, $7 for dinner if I get back from a trip past 8pm or $15 for dinner if it's overnight.

While I was told that there would be occasional overtime in the interview, occasional turns out to mean everyday. I would say that at the bare minimum I put in about 11-12 hours per day 5 days/week for about 60 plus hours on average (I have worked longer, but never less than 11 hours). Since I am on salary i.e. exempt, I get no extra pay so I get paid the same amount whether I work 8 or 12 hours. My question is simple:

Is this normal for entry level outside sales?
I would pay my dues for two years if you can deal with it and then look for a better job.
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Old 11-18-2014, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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OP, speaking from Prior experience, it is the industry. It can be brutal. I would stick it out til you at least have 12 months.
Unless you get a hell of a deal elsewhere. I don't think many would complain if you got a huge offer. It maybe unlikely for entry-level but it is possible.
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Old 11-18-2014, 12:18 PM
 
Location: DFW
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If you're making sales, hopefully with key customers, no.

If you're learning new skills on the job or at least reading books or taking online courses related to your skills, no.

If you're doing busy work or sitting around to make others feel like you're working, yes.
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Old 11-18-2014, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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60+ hours.... not for me. Since I don't get paid an ounce of overtime I do not stay a minute later then I have to. There's no incentive to either... considering our organization has made it blatantly obvious that every single worker gets the standard "cost of living" wage increase each year which is always 3%. Doesn't matter how much harder you work and how much better you may do compared to others, everyone gets the same increase. I get a good chuckle at this time of year too because evaluations are due next month... LOL... like it matters. I can get a perfect score or get the lowest possible score allowed that's just enough not to get me fired and nothing would change.
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Old 11-18-2014, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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I'm salaried with paid OT, but even then I never work more than 40. Just the 40 wears me out, I don't know how some of these workaholics put in 55 or 60+. I like my job, but not that much.
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