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Old 05-31-2018, 09:59 AM
 
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Old 05-31-2018, 10:25 AM
 
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Like this???

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/pdf/coe_sbc.pdf

I would like to see the data too.
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Old 05-31-2018, 11:34 AM
 
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STEM is so broad... I agree that certain areas are over-saturated but would have to really dig in to the research to understand it on a broader level.

At the anecdotal level, I have a BSME and PE and mostly work in industrial, biotech, data centers etc. I have multiple people calling/emailing me every week for full-time, non-contract positions all over the US and this has been the case for the last 7-8 years probably, once the economy started picking back up.
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Old 05-31-2018, 12:47 PM
 
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Bobsell in this thread is not using anecdotal evidence to prove that people should avoid STEM if they want a stable career and a good paying job. Sheerbliss is also not using anecdotal evidence.
Can you name the magical job field that is 100% stable and most jobs pay well?
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Old 05-31-2018, 12:51 PM
 
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Can you name the magical job field that is 100% stable and most jobs pay well?
Yes.

Ghost payrollers.
Cronies.
Patronage jobs.
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Old 05-31-2018, 12:55 PM
 
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Like this???

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/pdf/coe_sbc.pdf

I would like to see the data too.
How about this article? Cites multiple primary sources.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/short...i-mba-cpa-pmp/

The narrative "talent shortage in STEM" is a lie.

If there was a talent shortage, why are H1B visas abused so heavily?

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/h1b-v...i-mba-cpa-pmp/

If there was a talent shortage, why is talent rejected for being "overqualified"?
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Old 05-31-2018, 01:01 PM
 
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Yes.

Ghost payrollers.
Cronies.
Patronage jobs.
There you go, folks. Argument exposed as BS.

STEM is no more or no less stable than any other field. Stop being crybabies because life is hard.
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Old 05-31-2018, 01:14 PM
 
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STEM IS NOT A GUARANTEE of a good life. I have a BSME from a Top 6 college yet my life has had many bouts of unemployment.


Really? My DH graduated from Purdue as a Mechanical Engineer and has been with the same company for almost 20 years. They actually have a hard time trying to find good experienced engineers. The company is about 30 miles from Chicago. Where are you located? Location is key!


BTW, my husband makes a six figure base salary with a 15% annual salary bonus! He also has fantastic benefits, gets 4 weeks PTO and can occasionally work from home. He travels 1 week a month to different facilities in the U.S., but also travels to places such as Germany, China, U.K., France and Canada. From what I understand, none of his colleges are H1B workers. It's a tight group so I would think he would know.

Is it worth it? I think so!

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Old 05-31-2018, 01:22 PM
 
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Really? My DH graduated from Purdue as a Mechanical Engineer and has been with the same company for almost 20 years.
What company is this?

20 years at one job is not the norm in STEM. Not by a long shot.
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Old 05-31-2018, 01:24 PM
 
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What company is this?

20 years at one job is not the norm in STEM. Not by a long shot.
I have met many people that have spent 20 years and longer at one company. Granted, they are older than 40, but they have been with the same company.

I know others my age (30's), in STEM that have been employed longer than 10 years with the same company.
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