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Old 04-14-2021, 01:52 PM
 
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You would think a CHURCH of all places would know how to treat their members properly. Jesus! (no pun intended)
Sounds like you're playing the victim.
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Old 04-14-2021, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Kalamalka Lake, B.C.
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Default Found this was also true..........with "Temp" labor

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It creates stress and hurts productivity for everyone. Also, places that resort to it tend to have bigger problems and lack direction/leadership.
Companies in mnfg. and logistics and other staid, stable employment that used so called "Temp" agencies also sucked big time in management acumen of any kind. They thought it would be a replacement for their lack of skills, education, and they were there before you and me, so you couldn't dislodge them. In certain season industries such as convention set ups, that needed several hundred or even a 1,000 people for just a few days/weeks, it made sense, but like a HIDE A BED, it's not a solution for other things, and it's NOT a good sofa, or is it a good bed, but it's trying to be BOTH!! aIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.
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Old 04-14-2021, 05:13 PM
 
Location: U.S.A., Earth
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If you need support, what's preventing you from seeking it yourself? Most long term colleagues are willing to answer questions.
Uhm, isn't this the crux of the issue? The OP seems to imply that even THIS isn't available. There's nobody around to ask questions! (or, everyone's too busy)

I've had one job where I could google some answers on how to do stuff in Microsoft Office, and software tools. The company firewall blocked half of the sites citing "Blogs" or "not relevant". I go outside, look up those blocked sites on my phone, and it turns out half of those were actually useful!

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People are hired because of what they bring to the table. Not what they can learn. It is not outrageous to expect a new employee to bring their existing skills and knowledge to the new job, make an assessment, and then determine what gaps they need to fill for themselves.

If a company hires a developer with SQL listed on their resume, should an employer have to teach them how to write an inquiry?
In this case, they know SQL. But the new hire won't know company-specific stuff like where they keep depositories, customer requirements, and just what the team needs to do with SQL work.
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Old 04-14-2021, 09:23 PM
 
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In this case, they know SQL. But the new hire won't know company-specific stuff like where they keep depositories, customer requirements, and just what the team needs to do with SQL work.
Some people have worked at such bad companies with horrible managers for so long, they don't know any other way. It is a perfect example of people who don't do their homework before applying for a job. So they justify their lack of understanding and effort by defending management regardless of how poor management performs and caused unneeded stress for others in the organization. Every dysfunction is a challenge they need to rise up to. Smh.
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Old 04-15-2021, 04:15 AM
 
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Many people think sink or swim is a valid onboarding strategy, but I don’t understand it. It personally seems like a bad idea, especially for new grads and interns. How do you guys feel about the sink or swim approach to onboarding? I think many talented people don't operate this way and need basic support when they start out. Personally, I think it's "lazy" and poor management.
This type of onboarding is perhaps OK when most people are in the office to ask and answer questions, but when all or most of the team is remote, it could be a nightmare. The new hire is going to be deprived of the chance to ask questions organically, without having to schedule a "video meeting".
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Old 04-15-2021, 05:25 AM
 
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This type of onboarding is perhaps OK when most people are in the office to ask and answer questions, but when all or most of the team is remote, it could be a nightmare. The new hire is going to be deprived of the chance to ask questions organically, without having to schedule a "video meeting".
I should be starting a new role soon. Being remote won't be a problem at all. Even before the pandemic, I worked with distributed teams from all across the world. It's common for a needed colleague to be in another state. Phone meetings are common. Even in an in office situation, I would still schedule a meeting before just showing up at someone's desk to ask questions.
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Old 04-15-2021, 05:54 AM
 
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It seriously depends on the field of endeavor.
A doctor will constantly be sinking and swimming as that career is mutable. Info changes, challenges and regulations...etc.
Or a builder,,with changes in blue prints. Learn as you go.

On jobs that I 'needed', it was a cinder block on my foot and tossed in the ocean. I dreaded every chastising comment as I weaved my way to capture the skills. It ired me terribly that it took lots of folks just up and quitting. Til they finally got a six week.training program before the person was placed in their division.


So again it's contingent on the industry.
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Old 04-15-2021, 04:08 PM
 
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I should be starting a new role soon. Being remote won't be a problem at all. Even before the pandemic, I worked with distributed teams from all across the world. It's common for a needed colleague to be in another state. Phone meetings are common. Even in an in office situation, I would still schedule a meeting before just showing up at someone's desk to ask questions.
That's different. I'm talking about companies and hires that don't have years of experience with remote work.
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Old 04-15-2021, 04:29 PM
 
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If you need support, what's preventing you from seeking it yourself? Most long term colleagues are willing to answer questions.
Because the sink or swim mentality continues. They're too busy trying to swim, to help you from sinking.
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Old 04-15-2021, 06:23 PM
 
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That's different. I'm talking about companies and hires that don't have years of experience with remote work.
Distributed teams is not the same as remote work. The point is that before Covid, everyone who worked together didn't work in the same physical office. I've had out of town bosses and out of town team members. I onboarded just fine.
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