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Just like if a person worked in the office but was "off" after the work day and the worker wouldn't be able to be contacted, or the employer practice was not to call/email...... when that person is working from home -- but OFF......even if they do get a phone call or emails, that worker doesn't have to answer them.
If you worked in the office and left for the day an email or call wouldn't get answered. It'd be waiting for your the next morning. Bosses can send an email any time they want. Those emails don't have to get answered until the person is "back on the clock."
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Before COVID, I rarely got contacted off hours unless on-call. These days, with remote teams, all time is work time. I just got contacted on something about thirty minutes ago the on-call person failed to respond on.
If anything, we don't leave work at work now. It's a 24x7 thing.
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I learned that lesson the hard way - reply once after hours and it just opens the doors to more.
I am not surprised this article came out of the NY Fed branch. NYC politicians have been desperate to get their office towers re-populated.
the office lessee pays the Politicians?
Our business pays the land lord, who in turn pays the taxes on the building.
The lease does not stipulate that if a certain percentage works from home that we ( the lessee) get a discount of any sorts.
If though you mean that certain office buildings are vacant due to non renewals from former tenants, then I can see the concern to bulk up tax revenue.
I think its going to be a "delay" in steady work from home when certain employees have "family" or "obligations" that intercept their work flow. Such as a dental appointment or walking the family pet.
I'm leary of most adults who say they work more effectively from home given the close proximity to "other obligations". Your are going to see the priority change when that is the location factor.
I am sure they also didn't include the fact that when employees have minor illnesses they can work from home, reducing their sick time and reducing infecting others as well.
Just like if a person worked in the office but was "off" after the work day and the worker wouldn't be able to be contacted, or the employer practice was not to call/email...... when that person is working from home -- but OFF......even if they do get a phone call or emails, that worker doesn't have to answer them.
If you worked in the office and left for the day an email or call wouldn't get answered. It'd be waiting for your the next morning. Bosses can send an email any time they want. Those emails don't have to get answered until the person is "back on the clock."
When emails are flying around for your management, customers, and vendors at all hours, the expectation is that everyone is available. No, it’s not in an employee handbook somewhere, but if you don’t abide by those cultural norms, you’ll get accused of “not being a team player.â€
And that's the key. Most of these studies look at "hours". Which isn't really the predominant indicator of productivity/work in many white collar/office jobs.
Regardless - this is just click bait, IMO.
The article headlines "..employees are working less.." - but then present numbers of what people do with the time they saved from commuting. Hardly the same thing. There is a difference between 'working less" and "spending less time on work".
And that's the key. Most of these studies look at "hours". Which isn't really the predominant indicator of productivity/work in many white collar/office jobs.
Regardless - this is just click bait, IMO.
The article headlines "..employees are working less.." - but then present numbers of what people do with the time they saved from commuting. Hardly the same thing. There is a difference between 'working less" and "spending less time on work".
Hours mean nothing because many hours aren't even tracked on time sheets.
I never track the time I spend checking on email on weekends just to avoid being blindsided on Monday, or after work hours. I got called on Saturday morning. because a M-F server temporarily ran out of disk space. A routine database maintenance job caused the disk space to cap, triggering an alarm, then the space was released when the job finished, twenty minutes later.
This wasn't urgent. It's a Monday to Friday server. No jobs run on weekends. The space cleared automatically. There was absolutely no need to call anyone on a weekend for it. The service desk, who received the low disk space alert, should have just emailed it to me.
This is the kind of toxic culture that is becoming entrenched while working remotely. Sure, some places did this in person, but it seems much worse now.
Hours mean nothing because many hours aren't even tracked on time sheets.
I never track the time I spend checking on email on weekends just to avoid being blindsided on Monday, or after work hours. I got called on Saturday morning. because a M-F server temporarily ran out of disk space. A routine database maintenance job caused the disk space to cap, triggering an alarm, then the space was released when the job finished, twenty minutes later.
This wasn't urgent. It's a Monday to Friday server. No jobs run on weekends. The space cleared automatically. There was absolutely no need to call anyone on a weekend for it. The service desk, who received the low disk space alert, should have just emailed it to me.
This is the kind of toxic culture that is becoming entrenched while working remotely. Sure, some places did this in person, but it seems much worse now.
I think I was saying the same thing....?
I don't know how this is a toxic culture as described. Seems like just an uninformed desk tech?
If it was an emergency and the person simply emailed... then it would be "why the hell did s/he just email and not call?". Perhaps a process issue...? But I'm only going by the info provided...
They're also more productive at home, which is probably a big part of that. If folks are getting what used to be 8 hours of work done in 4 hours, then more power to them.
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