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lol. he's been a doctor there (as is his fiance) for the past (at least) 10 yrs - he was born/raised/schooled there - you're going to tell me he's a liar?
is that why the NHS has new directives to cut down on patient time/give them LESS care? you may have seen only one side of the uk health system, you were there for a year- you were in the nhs for what? maybe an accumulated time of 7days? he's there day in/day out, and if he says there's a problem, there's a problem.
perfect example:
my father had to get a CT scan done along with another type of scanning done for his stomach 'pains'. in the UK, there's less hospitals/less specialized equipment. since my father was not in a life threatening situation- it was only minor pain- my brother said he would've had to wait 6mo's to a year to get the appt to get into the specialized scanning machines.
being that my father lives in the US and has health insurance here, he was able to get scanned within 2 weeks, and luckily they found a life threatening condition at an early stage...and were able to fix it in time.
yes. it's based on urgency when/if someone can see a specialist in a decent amt of time, but certain things that may not be life threatening NOW may turn life threatening LATER....and if not treated immediately, means more issues later than if treated immediately.
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sorry, but ppl can b/s all they want. i'd rather speak to professionals on the front lines rather than someone who's 'used' the service periodically.
i guess what i'm saying is that a soldier in iraq on the front lines has better insight than a reporter who's escorted around the front lines once a month.
here's your answer- i was born and raised in england til age 12. i moved to america after that and have lived here ever since. i go back about 3 times a year for about a week at a time.
i love you tend to throw your points as if they were facts. i.e. you republican statement/US healthcare. hmm...let's see here, first you say uk healthcare is good and that my brother who's a doctor there is a liar. then you speak about he US political system as if you really know, when at most you've simply visited both countries. do us all a favor and keep your 'facts' vs. fiction seperated.
here's your answer- i was born and raised in england til age 12. i moved to america after that and have lived here ever since. i go back about 3 times a year for about a week at a time.
i love you tend to throw your points as if they were facts. i.e. you republican statement/US healthcare. hmm...let's see here, first you say uk healthcare is good and that my brother who's a doctor there is a liar. then you speak about he US political system as if you really know, when at most you've simply visited both countries. do us all a favor and keep your 'facts' vs. fiction seperated.
no, I wont give you this favor ! it's the only way to know the truth in a forum.
And The republican use the same point than yours against the socialized medicine, let's say since the 60's. The canadian and UK system are both very efficient and by far more efficient than the american one, and everything tend to prove my opinion. Actually, your statment which is maybe true is not very relevant. I prefer to forge my opinon on testimony made by OECD or UN than a personnal experience. It's just me. It has had nothing to do with FICTION.
BTW I used to lived in both place. Never heard something like (people die because they have to wait for treatment) that about UK before. Never ever.
no, I wont give you this favor ! it's the only way to know the truth in a forum.
And The republican use the same point than yours against the socialized medicine, let's say since the 60's. The canadian and UK system are both very efficient and by far more efficient than the american one, and everything tend to prove my opinion. Actually, your statment which is maybe true is not very relevant. I prefer to forge my opinon on testimony made by OECD or UN than a personnal experience. It's just me. It has had nothing to do with FICTION.
BTW I used to lived in both place. Never heard something like (people die because they have to wait for treatment) that about UK before. Never ever.
sure it's not fiction? bbc doesn't agree with you.
here is a more up to date 'report' BBC NEWS | Scotland | Cut in NHS waiting time figures
but this one doesn't cover 'elective' such as knee/hip replacement (as the first one did) maybe because not much progress has been made there (i assume you read in the other thread, but my brother in uk used the hip as an example- as little as 2 months ago when i saw him- he said patients are left in pain waiting).
just to give you an understanding of this- 9 weeks is the target to get you results of testing...so if you have a nodule that needs to be biopsied to test for cancer...that's a little over 2 mo's to find out whether you have cancer and what stage it is. 2mo's depending on stage/aggressiveness, may mean fine recovery to loosing limbs or death.
if two docs in uk think the US health system is better, then i'm probably going to agree with them (i'm sure many more would agree, but i've not spoken to them, so cannot comment). amongst the reasons....sure it sucks that the ins. co's are out to make money as are docs in the US, but bottom line is that the facilities/healthcare here/treatment centers/time is way better in the US. which is the lesser of two evils...
having free/socialized healthcare at the cost of increased wait times
or
having more/better/advanced hospitals at the cost of private health insurance.
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here is a more up to date 'report' BBC NEWS | Scotland | Cut in NHS waiting time figures
but this one doesn't cover 'elective' such as knee/hip replacement (as the first one did) maybe because not much progress has been made there (i assume you read in the other thread, but my brother in uk used the hip as an example- as little as 2 months ago when i saw him- he said patients are left in pain waiting).
Oh but I'm sure they are some waintings before some surgeries, but it is not what you said. You said :
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you can still die waiting for the operation
It has little to do with hip surgery.
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just to give you an understanding of this- 9 weeks is the target to get you results of testing...so if you have a nodule that needs to be biopsied to test for cancer...that's a little over 2 mo's to find out whether you have cancer and what stage it is. 2mo's depending on stage/aggressiveness, may mean fine recovery to loosing limbs or death.
Here is the part I have some difficulties to believe. I don't think when it's about Cancer or something which could be very serious that the results are not high priority !
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if two docs in uk think the US health system is better,
I think actually you delude yourself.
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then i'm probably going to agree with them (i'm sure many more would agree, but i've not spoken to them, so cannot comment). amongst the reasons....sure it sucks that the ins. co's are out to make money as are docs in the US, but bottom line is that the facilities/healthcare here/treatment centers/time is way better in the US. which is the lesser of two evils...
the lesser of two evils ? I wonder how many times for the thread did you try to show what were the weakness point of the US system ? I'm going to respond for you : none.
Well, the UK's system and its waiting list is maybe not the best system you can find, nethertheless it remains this system bring to everyone the possibility to be treated in any case wether you are poor ot not. This is something which makes the difference in my mind. the US system hasn't got the best facilities in the world, it's what the americans believe, they always believe they are the best , the best, the best, the best.... just for once, could you realize you are not alone in the world to make research, to have labs, to make drugs, and to have the facilities to care ?
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having free/socialized healthcare at the cost of increased wait times
or
having more/better/advanced hospitals at the cost of private health insurance.
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I wonder where did you get the information the US system has :
better, advanced hospitals ?
I wonder as well, where did you get the information all the socialized healthcare had increased wait times ? Actually it's not true for most of them. Let's say France, Germany, Norway, Sweden, etc.
and tell me, how many people die every year in US just because they don't have :
1. insurance
2. enough money to pay the surgeries
3. Good treatment
which is the worst: diying just because you are poor or diying just because you have to wait as anyone ? it's clearly the question you ask me here.
According to you why the US healtcare is ranked 38th by the WHO ?
Me and my girlfriend saw the movie. It really made me think. My employer has Cigna so I got a PPO with a dental rider. But I don't go to the doctor very much at all. Check ups, dentist things like that. I have not been sick in years. It kills me though when I get my check and see how much comes out. But I know if I didnt have it and something were to happen I would be pretty screwed.
Like I take a certain medication that costs about 20 bucks with insurance. Without ins it would be $220.00.
After watching the movie I am thinking about moving out of the country. There are other reasons for me wanting to move besides just healthcare. Like I want a new job with a new company. I will be damed if I use COBRA. God have any of you seen how expensive it is to have COBRA?
I am keeping this job because of the insurance. My luck is as soon as I dont have it something always happens and I need it.
Everyone I have talked to has said the same thing they want to move out of the country after seeing the movie.
The government is afraid of the people but in America the people are afraid of the government.
I don't know how true that is but it sounds about right.
Me and my girlfriend saw the movie. It really made me think. My employer has Cigna so I got a PPO with a dental rider. But I don't go to the doctor very much at all. Check ups, dentist things like that. I have not been sick in years. It kills me though when I get my check and see how much comes out. But I know if I didnt have it and something were to happen I would be pretty screwed.
Like I take a certain medication that costs about 20 bucks with insurance. Without ins it would be $220.00.
After watching the movie I am thinking about moving out of the country. There are other reasons for me wanting to move besides just healthcare. Like I want a new job with a new company. I will be damed if I use COBRA. God have any of you seen how expensive it is to have COBRA?
I am keeping this job because of the insurance. My luck is as soon as I dont have it something always happens and I need it.
Everyone I have talked to has said the same thing they want to move out of the country after seeing the movie.
The government is afraid of the people but in America the people are afraid of the government.
I don't know how true that is but it sounds about right.
So we are moving to the UK!
Well I just hope your not moving to the UK because of how the NHS was portrayed on SICKO that's how he wanted you to see it as this brilliant system but its far from that and far from the truth, when watching things like SICKO you have to take it with a pinch of salt as with any critic when I saw it I just took it as entertainment rather than believing what he was saying but I'm not saying non of it is true but I believe the truth was bent to how Micheal Moore wanted it to sound. If you do want to come to the UK I will trade citizenship with you
I think Michael Moore has an accuracy level of about 35%. For the most part, he shows what he wants to show and not the whole story. However, the one thing positive I will say is he brings the issue to the forefront and while I don't like him, I have some respect for him. He opens up things for debate and from these debates, solutions can be formed.
I don't know why people are b.itching about funding healthcare. You can by donating money. If you're willing to pay some more money, than do it. Don't expect everyone else to fund your efforts to make yourself feel better because you are helping those that are less fortunate. People have a right to keep the money they earn. Would it be nice if they put some extra into the system? Sure. However, those that are "rich" are already paying more into the system.
I think the majority of Americans would be willing to put more of their money into helping pay the costs of healthcare for those that can't really afford it. I would. I have donated money to clinics and to a few specific cases where a family can't afford to pay their medical bills.
As for America being greedy, well, I do admit we put more emphasis on material things However when it comes to us being greedy, this says otherwise:
On if Sicko was accurate or not I think people are not used to how documentaries work. It is something like a thesis paper where you say x,y and z is true then you present your arguments providing to prove your argument (those of you who have done thesis papers should be familiar with this). Now if the topic was "whats wrong with universal health care" then okay he should show all the problems with NHS. However the topic was America and its health care, in particular why he feels we need universal health care.
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I wonder how many times for the thread did you try to show what were the weakness point of the US system ? I'm going to respond for you : none.
I wonder where did you get the information the US system has : 
