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Old 12-11-2020, 07:44 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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Most schools in countries not ruled by the US and UK teach American English. Including Philippines, Brazil, Mexico, Vietnam, China, Korea and Japan.

The Phillippines is surely a cheaper place to learn American pronunciations and spelling.
There are fluent English speakers in many developing countries ruled by the British Empire.
There is no such thing as 'American English', just like there is no such thing as Canadian English or Australian English, the UK and the US speak the same language.
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Old 12-11-2020, 09:08 AM
 
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There is no such thing as 'American English', just like there is no such thing as Canadian English or Australian English, the UK and the US speak the same language.
You are correct that people in all those countries speak mutually intelligible dialects of the same language. We know that we all speak English because we easily communicate with each other. However, "American English" is shorthand for "the dialect of English that is the standard spoken and written language in the United States." That's understood. Some people specifically want to learn that dialect.

What we don't need is one group claiming that their dialect is by default the one correct "English language" because "they invented it" (actually, that would have been their ancestors, who were common ancestors of the world's other English-speakers as well), and another group assuming that their greater numbers make their dialect superior. You didn't do this, but many people do.
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Old 12-12-2020, 12:06 AM
 
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Most schools in countries not ruled by the US and UK teach American English. Including Philippines, Brazil, Mexico, Vietnam, China, Korea and Japan.

The Phillippines is surely a cheaper place to learn American pronunciations and spelling.
There are fluent English speakers in many developing countries ruled by the British Empire.
When I was a student in China we learned British English.
So we learned colour not color, civilsation not civilization.

However, many people switch to American English in college by themselves.
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Old 12-12-2020, 04:47 AM
 
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When I was a student in China we learned British English.
So we learned colour not color, civilsation not civilization.

However, many people switch to American English in college by themselves.
There will be no discernible difference, how you spell colour will be irrelevant in your ability to communicate in English.
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Old 12-12-2020, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Tulsa
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I think the US midwest. Most people speak no other language so it's total immersion. The accent is universaly understandable. It is probably "standard" English today.
Midwest accent is the clearest on the planet.
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Old 12-12-2020, 10:06 AM
 
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Midwest accent is the clearest on the planet.
No it isn't, not to my ears! It might well be 'the clearest on the planet' to people living there but to me the clearest on the planet is the SE UK accent............................I wonder why , I'm going to hazard a guess here and say that Australian English is the 'clearest on the planet'............ to Australian ears? . Its all subjective. I find an Australian easier to understand than an American (though I don't actually have much trouble understanding either), I don't have any issues with the Scots or the Irish or the Scouse or Geordie etc.............. again I wonder why that would be? . Claiming the English that one speaks is somehow the 'clearest' is just folly.
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Old 12-12-2020, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Florida
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No it isn't, not to my ears! It might well be 'the clearest on the planet' to people living there but to me the clearest on the planet is the SE UK accent............................I wonder why , I'm going to hazard a guess here and say that Australian English is the 'clearest on the planet'............ to Australian ears? . Its all subjective. I find an Australian easier to understand than an American (though I don't actually have much trouble understanding either), I don't have any issues with the Scots or the Irish or the Scouse or Geordie etc.............. again I wonder why that would be? . Claiming the English that one speaks is somehow the 'clearest' is just folly.
I can listen to Scousers talk all day even if I don't understand it . Most Midwesterners... I would prefer not to understand.
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Old 12-15-2020, 04:07 AM
 
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There is no such thing as 'American English', just like there is no such thing as Canadian English or Australian English, the UK and the US speak the same language.
completely untrue , its a common description with respect of both pronunciation and spelling

many words are spelt differently in america than in the UK
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Old 12-18-2020, 04:44 PM
 
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completely untrue , its a common description with respect of both pronunciation and spelling

many words are spelt differently in america than in the UK
A difference in spelling doesn't make it a different language, as for pronunciation people in Liverpool pronounce words differently to people in Manchester despite being 30 miles apart and they're all speaking English. Every post on this site I understand as it's all written in English - the English kind! For example your post here - all English English, if what our cousin's across the pond speak a different language perhaps you can say exactly the same thing again but this time in ''American English'? As an Irishman do you claim there is such a language as 'Irish English'? is there an 'Australian English'? A New Zealand English? I think what we all speak is just 'English'.
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Old 12-28-2020, 06:09 AM
 
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A difference in spelling doesn't make it a different language, as for pronunciation people in Liverpool pronounce words differently to people in Manchester despite being 30 miles apart and they're all speaking English. Every post on this site I understand as it's all written in English - the English kind! For example your post here - all English English, if what our cousin's across the pond speak a different language perhaps you can say exactly the same thing again but this time in ''American English'? As an Irishman do you claim there is such a language as 'Irish English'? is there an 'Australian English'? A New Zealand English? I think what we all speak is just 'English'.
whether it meets any official formal definition is irrelevant

" australian english "

" kiwi english "

" american english "

" irish english "


all are commonly accepted as having different variations of the language
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