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Old 07-27-2011, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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The 1999 movie "Ratcatcher" has to be subtitled in "English", because nobody from outside Glasgow would understand the "English" that is spoken throughout the entire film:

‪Ratcatcher - Ryan's Story‬‏ - YouTube
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Old 07-27-2011, 05:32 PM
 
Location: 30-40°N 90-100°W
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I don't know if that's in "Scots" but I considered mentioning that ethnologue, and some other sources, consider "Scots" a separate language in the "English family." I didn't include it because I thought maybe there was still debate over it as separate. Here's some stuff in Scots.


‪Psalm 23 (Scots language)‬‏ - YouTube


‪The Scots Language‬‏ - YouTube


‪Ewan MacColl - The Gairdener Chyld (Scots folk song)‬‏ - YouTube
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Old 07-27-2011, 08:33 PM
 
Location: Brazil
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Not really.

Both languages are similar gramatically, but Catalans don't understand Portuguese.

Catalan/Spanish and Italian.

Italians speak Italian here and they don't have any problem.

Occitan and Catalan.

French spoken in Southern France and Catalan.

Vlamink and Dutch.
Sorry , But im brazilian and the catalan is so easy to understand than spanish.
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Old 07-28-2011, 02:59 AM
 
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Scots Gaelic is a totally different language, unrelated to English. It is no more similar to English than to Hungarian. It looks like this:

Cha do shìn mi mo làmhan gus do ghlacadh;
bha ùghdarras eile gan riaghladh,
bha iad air lapadh
ann an seirbheis chuairteil m' iunaibhears –


In "Ratcatcher", people were speaking a language that, when spelled in text and formed in grammar, looks exactly like English and IS English, but they pronounce the English words in a way that most English speakers would not recognize them. Like the JD Salinger character in "Frannie and Zooey" who asked "Jeet chet?" ("Did you eat yet?")

The fact that two people are reading the New York Times to each other does nor assure that they can understand each other.
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Old 07-28-2011, 03:31 AM
 
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Scots Gaelic is a totally different language, unrelated to English. It is no more similar to English than to Hungarian. It looks like this:

Cha do shìn mi mo làmhan gus do ghlacadh;
bha ùghdarras eile gan riaghladh,
bha iad air lapadh
ann an seirbheis chuairteil m' iunaibhears –

In "Ratcatcher", people were speaking a language that, when spelled in text and formed in grammar, looks exactly like English and IS English, but they pronounce the English words in a way that most English speakers would not recognize them. Like the JD Salinger character in "Frannie and Zooey" who asked "Jeet chet?" ("Did you eat yet?")

The fact that two people are reading the New York Times to each other does nor assure that they can understand each other.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Scots and Scottish Gaelic were completely different languages.
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Old 07-28-2011, 07:29 AM
 
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If they're mutually not understandable, then how could they be the same language?
Good question. For political reasons, officially it's the same language.

There's only one written language, which everyone can read and write. But when people speak their own dialect (many people do, even professionally) they can not understand people from some other regions in flanders let alone the Netherlands.
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Old 07-28-2011, 08:49 AM
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Scots and Scottish Gaelic were completely different languages.
Yes I meant Scots, sometimes called Scots-English, not Scottish Gaelic. I trust that in the videos I linked to it would be fairly clear they're not speaking Gaelic, unless I screwed up and accidentally included a Gaelic deal. I'll try again.


‪Budget 2011 Budget Response by the Scottish National Party‬‏ - YouTube - English with a Scottish accent. (I had no understanding difficulties with what I saw)


‪Freedom Come All Ye sung by Coreen Scott and Gareth Jones‬‏ - YouTube - Scots (I can make out half of it or so)


‪Capercaillie - Fear A' Bhata‬‏ - YouTube - Scottish Gaelic (Totally different language)

Hopefully these three will clearly be different. Below is the ethnologue page for Scots.

Ethnologue report for language code: sco
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Old 07-28-2011, 12:53 PM
 
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Good question. For political reasons, officially it's the same language.

There's only one written language, which everyone can read and write. But when people speak their own dialect (many people do, even professionally) they can not understand people from some other regions in flanders let alone the Netherlands.
All dialects of Chinese use the same ideographs, and anyone in China can read a newspaper from any part of China. But they can't talk to each other, because the ideographs express meaning, not pronunciation. The same printed ideograph means "man", no matter how the word is pronounced in that language.

Languages do not have clear boundaries, to make the mutual intelligibility either On or Off. A Dutch and a Swedish astronomer might understand each other quite well when talking about astronomy, but there is no way one could explain to the other one that his dog is sick or that he is refinishing an antique table in his spare time.

In languages that are closely related to each other, like French and Spanish, penpals might be able to decipher each other's letters because of common roos and spelling similarities, but they would never understand each other on the phone.

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Old 07-28-2011, 09:08 PM
 
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Although there is really nothing extremely similar to English, the closest ones to it are Faroese and Dutch. The dying Frisian language is closer yet.
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Old 07-28-2011, 09:14 PM
 
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This is Frisian:


‪Debut on Frisian local television‬‏ - YouTube

I don't understand a single word of it.
It is very close to English.

English <- Anglish <- ancient language of the Angles (from Pomerania via Frisia).

The thing that made English diverge were all the adopted Latin based words.
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