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Old 01-21-2018, 12:11 AM
 
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I don't believe it. Also your figures don't support the premise KL is a first world city, but instead of posting statistics blindly put your interpretation so there is something to respond to.
The HDI is as follows: he Human Development Index (HDI) is a composite measure of health, education and income that was introduced in the first Human Development Report in 1990 as an alternative to purely economic assessments of national progress, such as GDP growthhttps://www.slideshare.net/arslan_bz...index-27698915

The HDI gives a even better picture than just the nations GDP per cap on development on a nation.

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Old 01-21-2018, 01:12 AM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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Miami lies on a higher latitude than Hong Kong does. It's definitely not tropical.
It is not south of the Tropic of Capricorn, misses it by short distance but by the copper climate classification Miami has a tropical monsoon climate. Honolulu and San Juan also are tropical American cities . Yes San Juan is down right now because of that hurricane but it will be restored. Any part of the United States is first world hurricane destruction or no hurricane destruction.
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Old 01-21-2018, 02:13 AM
 
Location: Sydney Australia
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Gold Coast and Brisbane are not in the tropics.
My sister lived in KL and I have been there a few times and also to Kota Kinabalu. I think Malaysia is about in the middle of countries on a scale of development. But parts of Italy look less developed than parts of Malaysia.
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Old 01-21-2018, 02:48 AM
 
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It is not south of the Tropic of Capricorn, misses it by short distance but by the copper climate classification Miami has a tropical monsoon climate.
Need to remember that there is nothing essentially "true" about the Koppen classification scheme. Cities like Miami and Townsville have very different climates than "true" tropical locations like Darwin, Jakarta or Port Moresby. Perhaps if the scale had not been developed by northern Europeans some of the boundaries between tropical and temperate would have been set differently? Similarly there is no "true" monsoon climate effect in North or South America, so its more a case of its weather patterns in part resembling those found in monsoonal climates.

"However, it is debatable whether the North and South American weather patterns with incomplete wind reversal should be counted as true monsoons" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsoon
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Old 01-21-2018, 03:05 AM
 
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Need to remember that there is nothing essentially "true" about the Koppen classification scheme. Cities like Miami and Townsville have very different climates than "true" tropical locations like Darwin, Jakarta or Port Moresby. Perhaps if the scale had not been developed by northern Europeans some of the boundaries between tropical and temperate would have been set differently? Similarly there is no "true" monsoon climate effect in North or South America, so its more a case of its weather patterns in part resembling those found in monsoonal climates.

"However, it is debatable whether the North and South American weather patterns with incomplete wind reversal should be counted as true monsoons" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsoon
I get the fact that the Köppen climate classifications can and should be challenged. Miami does seem quite tropical to me. However I live in the southeast USA, solidly in a Köppen classification of humid subtropical climate. Yes it’s hot and humid most of the year here but this winter has been freezing cold and we got two inches of snow last week. Obviously we are different from the cold temperate classified areas in the northern US but to me we do get a mild winter down here so should we be humid subtropical? I don’t know as I am not a meteorologist. Maybe we in North America don’t fit well into those classifications. Most Americans however do consider Miami to be a tropical climate and even consider that part of South Florida to be almost part of the Caribbean in culture.
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Old 01-21-2018, 03:16 AM
 
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I get the fact that the Köppen climate classifications can and should be challenged. Miami does seem quite tropical to me. However I live in the southeast USA, solidly in a Köppen classification of humid subtropical climate. Yes it’s hot and humid most of the year here but this winter has been freezing cold and we got two inches of snow last week. Obviously we are different from the cold temperate classified areas in the northern US but to me we do get a mild winter down here so should we be humid subtropical? I don’t know as I am not a meteorologist. Maybe we in North America don’t fit well into those classifications. Most Americans however do consider Miami to be a tropical climate and even consider that part of South Florida to be almost part of the Caribbean in culture.
Certainly the occurrence of a discernible and distinct cold or cool "winter" is something you just don't experience in places like Darwin or Jakarta. While their wet season is very intense and full on in terms of storm activity and humidity, the actual temperature is almost the same as the "dry" and "build-up" seasons, that is hot.
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Old 01-21-2018, 04:47 AM
 
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I find interesting and fascinating that humankind didn't establish in tropical places.
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Old 01-21-2018, 11:07 AM
 
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I find interesting and fascinating that humankind didn't establish in tropical places.
Many people live in tropical places. Just not so many developed countries.
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Old 01-21-2018, 12:03 PM
 
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There have been times in history when some of the most complex and advanced cultures on the planet were located in the tropics. For example the Khmers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angkor_Wat
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Old 01-21-2018, 03:07 PM
 
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Need to remember that there is nothing essentially "true" about the Koppen classification scheme. Cities like Miami and Townsville have very different climates than "true" tropical locations like Darwin, Jakarta or Port Moresby. Perhaps if the scale had not been developed by northern Europeans some of the boundaries between tropical and temperate would have been set differently? Similarly there is no "true" monsoon climate effect in North or South America, so its more a case of its weather patterns in part resembling those found in monsoonal climates.

"However, it is debatable whether the North and South American weather patterns with incomplete wind reversal should be counted as true monsoons" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsoon
I think the goal of the Koeppen system (as well as most systems) is identify climatological boundaries that support certain vegetation. It's clear, that while not warm year-round, Miami can support a wide range (if not all) range of tropical vegetation. However, this vegetation does not thrive. Coconut palms in Miami fruit, but you never see them with a huge frond spread or as high as you will in Indonesia.
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