Australia or Canada? (pictures, cheap, Australian)

[fusion2]

Originally Posted by Natnasci

I'm a beach guy. I have been to beaches in Mexico, France, Italy, Greece, USA ( California, Oregon Washington and
Hawaii ).

Every beach is different and has different seasons when they are best. For Saturno to suggest that Vancouver beaches aren't beaches is ridiculous. People use beaches for different reasons. Tofino for example is not great for sunbathing but is incredible for beach combing, and walking.

For swimming ( and yes I DO swim in Vancouver in summer ) some beaches are obviously better because the water is warmer. Vancouver is not Hawaii in that regard, but you can't walk your dog with the salt air blowing cold in your face, followed by a thermos of hot chocolate in Honolulu.

Here's a photo of Locarno Beach, one of my favourites.

I for one am not disputing it - Nat, just don't go and post pics of a Canadian beach - that Honourary Australian guy is going to trample all over it and say that you should just ignore your beaches in Vancouver (they ain't worthy) and move to Syndey

[larrycarver]

I have to say something. I was born/raised in Boston and ended up in San Diego because of my job. Even in San Diego the beaches arent that great. I would never even consider swimming in a place like Vancouver. I get that you live in Canada and thats the beach thats near you but Australia is on an entirely different level. When you say something is swimmable well that is a silly measurement because we can say that the weather in Alaska is technically swimmable but who the hell wants to swim in it. Even in SD we need wetsuits most of the year to go surfing or snorkeling so a pine tree lake up in Illinois not to even mention Canada isnt even close to being on the radar.

I can see where you are coming from because back when I was living in Boston I was the type who said "oh I like the cold just fine" like alot of you. Now that I am done I would never go back just because of the climate. Living in am agreeable climate and getting sun affects your mood greatly. When you live in cold places you are very prone to depression. You are slower. Less energy. More tired. More irritable. When you live somewhere warmer you are the oppiste. You feel happier, more energy, more perky, satisfied, more friendly. I think if some of you had the chance to live somewhere with an agreeable climate you would look back and see what I mean. When I was in Boston I was the type who said "oh I like the cold just fine" like alot of you, but ended up here because of my military service. Now that I am done I could go back "home" but would never go back just because now I see the climate for what it really is. Dont get me wrong I miss some things but I could never go back because of the cold damp and gloomy climate. It is like being told to eat McDonalds when youve been having 5 star restauarant food for the last few years.

So if we take some of you who are defenders of gloomy cold weather I would like to see what you think after spending one year in a good climate (lets say honolulu) and then one year in Canada somewhere. I can guarantee you most would want to stay in honolulu and those who go back would be because of family or something like that. The idea of going back to Canada of all places would seem utterly insane because of the weather. And I am saying this as a born and bred new englander.

[fusion2]

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Yet most born and bred New Englander's stay put... Why? Don't know what they are missing or they simply aren't as attracted to year round 'nice' weather as you are and are fine living where they live... Boston is a great urban city with top notch archtitecture/history and a great Q.O.L... I wouldn't be sad living there at all..

Anyway, for many of us... Living in cities like Boston, NYC, Toronto, Montreal etc is more desirable than living in Houston, Dallas, Atlanta, San Diego etc... Its simple really - those who really need year round nice weather and its that important will find a way to get there - for others its nice to get away for a week in the winter but its a big Meh - spring/summer will come soon enough and there are other options in the winter. I love Christmas time in the winter actually - its magical..

[larrycarver]

Originally Posted by fusion2

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Yet most born and bred New Englander's stay put... Why? Don't know what they are missing or they simply aren't as attracted to year round 'nice' weather as you are and are fine living where they live... Boston is a great urban city with top notch archtitecture/history and a great Q.O.L... I wouldn't be sad living there at all..

Anyway, for many of us... Living in cities like Boston, NYC, Toronto, Montreal etc is more desirable than living in Houston, Dallas, Atlanta, San Diego etc... Its simple really - those who really need year round nice weather and its that important will find a way to get there - for others its nice to get away for a week in the winter but its a big Meh - spring/summer will come soon enough and there are other options in the winter. I love Christmas time in the winter actually - its magical..

Fusion2 answer this:

Have you ever lived in a warm climate i.e. outside of Canada?

[fusion2]

Originally Posted by larrycarver

Fusion2 answer this:

Have you ever lived in a warm climate i.e. outside of Canada?

Don't go down that road... why? There are plenty enough people who have lived in a warm climate and are perfectly happy living in a 4 season climate as well.. It's non-sequiter for many many people.. Don't use the fact that you require 365 days per year of 'nice' weather or your own personal preference in order to project those as being a natural necessity for every other human being...Its almost like some people need to 'bully' everyone into succumbing to the fact that it is a natural requirement for all human beings to want and need to live in year round warmer climates and if we don't - lord pity us poooor souls... I'm as white as a ghost - am afflicted with the Celtic curse and burn extremely easily - PLUS i suffer from bloody hyperhydrosis - leave me and Nicole Kidman alone!!! lol..

Anyway - global warming being what it is this whole conversation could very well be moot in a shorter period of time than many think. Canada might actually be a great proposition from everything to climate, access to water, agriculture etc. We're already getting ready for much greater wine production lol..

[larrycarver]

Originally Posted by fusion2

Don't go down that road... why? There are plenty enough people who have lived in a warm climate and are perfectly happy living in a 4 season climate as well.. It's non-sequiter for many many people.. Don't use the fact that you require 365 days per year of 'nice' weather or your own personal preference in order to project those as being a natural necessity for every other human being...Its almost like some people need to 'bully' everyone into succumbing to the fact that it is a natural requirement for all human beings to want and need to live in year round warmer climates and if we don't - lord pity us poooor souls... I'm as white as a ghost - am afflicted with the Celtic curse and burn extremely easily - PLUS i suffer from bloody hyperhydrosis - leave me and Nicole Kidman alone!!! lol..

Anyway - global warming being what it is this whole conversation could very well be moot in a shorter period of time than many think. Canada might actually be a great proposition from everything to climate, access to water, agriculture etc. We're already getting ready for much greater wine production lol..

I'll ask again:

Have you ever lived in a warm climate i.e. outside of Canada?

It is very simple, "yes" or "no".

[fusion2]

Originally Posted by larrycarver

I'll ask again:

Have you ever lived in a warm climate i.e. outside of Canada?

It is very simple, "yes" or "no".

This isn't a court of law Matlock - if you can't understand my post and what i'm trying to say - umm not my problem

Are you one of those people who thinks just because he's lived in two seperate places he has become an expert on the human condition...

Have you ever lived in the Algarve... Yes or NO?

[larrycarver]

Originally Posted by fusion2

This isn't a court of law Matlock - if you can't understand my post and what i'm trying to say - umm not my problem

So the answer is no. I don't know why you couldnt just say that.

If you havent lived in both types of climates then you have no idea what you are talking about. It's all speculation until then. I dont mean to be offensive but its the truth. Until you have actually lived in both a cold and a warm climate you have no room to say what you prefer and don't. I used to be alot like you: "I prefer it cold Im happy right here"...turns out I didnt know what I was talking about until I actually tried living in a warm climate. Not visiting, living. I hope you get this chance someday to experience living and letting your body adapt to a different climate.

[fusion2]

Originally Posted by larrycarver

So the answer is no. I don't know why you couldnt just say that.

If you havent lived in both types of climates then you have no idea what you are talking about. It's all speculation until then. I dont mean to be offensive but its the truth. Until you have actually lived in both a cold and a warm climate you have no room to say what you prefer and don't. I used to be alot like you: "I prefer it cold...turns out I didnt know until I actually tried living in a warm climate. Not visiting, living. I hope you get this chance someday to experience living and letting your body adapt to a different climate.

Well let me put it to you like this - I don't particularly like really hot long summers.. I'd say the spring and fall are my favourite seasons of the year.. When I visit Thailand, Cuba in the hotter months or even Spain in the summer months it is actually quite unpleasant during the day. I don't mind it here and there but my 'ideal' weather would be akin to what we would experience in the Fall or Spring in Toronto and Boston.. Let me guess - your favourite season is the summer right? Well there you go!! You have your answer.. Do I need to move to San Diego to figure out what i like or do I need someone like you to tell me that just because you've lived in Boston and now what did you say - San Diego..

As for adapting to a new climate - perhaps but think this way - perhaps many of us have happily 'adapted' to a 4 season climate and actually like it Larry... Is that impossible for you to accept or do you just simply conclude that because you've adapted to the all year warmer climate life that everyone is like you? I'm sure there are people who 'adapted' to the weather in San Diego and actually missed living in NYC... They might not have missed a NYC winter (or maybe they did) but on the whole - the winter is non-sequiter.. As a matter of fact - People who grow up in year round 'nice' weather don't necessarily know what they are missing - as soon as you get sick of one season, a new one is just around the corner... It can be quite refreshing...

[larrycarver]

Originally Posted by fusion2

Well let me put it to you like this - I don't particularly like really hot long summers.. I'd say the spring and fall are my favourite seasons of the year.. When I visit Thailand, Cuba in the hotter months or even Spain in the summer months it is actually quite unpleasant during the day. I don't mind it here and there but my 'ideal' weather would be akin to what we would experience in the Fall or Spring in Toronto and Boston.. Let me guess - your favourite season is the summer right? Well there you go!! You have your answer.. Do I need to move to San Diego to figure out what i like or do I need someone like you to tell me that just because you've lived in Boston what did you say - San Diego..

As for adapting to a new climate - perhaps but think this way - perhaps many of us have happily 'adapted' to a 4 season climate and actually like it Larry... Is that impossible for you to accept?

You don't know until you have tried it.

Until you live in Cuba or Thailand and your body acclimates you can't talk. And there is a great difference between humid areas like those and places that are warm with little humidity like LA. This is like debating about what its like to play in the snow with a person who has only seen pictures of it. You need to be more open minded my friend. I sincerely hope that in the future you have the pleasure of expanding your horizons and living life outside of your current self imposed boundaries.

P.S. My favorite seasons are fall in Boston and winter in SD. Good try though.