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Old 06-29-2012, 10:15 AM
 
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why , did you write the script or something ?
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Old 06-30-2012, 05:55 AM
 
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Well, as an American, it would be when a few brave Americans stood up and refused to obey mindless commands to go to Vietnam and murder people there. I thank them for their service to their country, and their courage to risk the consequences. Sadly, we learned nothing from it.
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Old 06-30-2012, 06:47 AM
 
Location: Strathclyde & Málaga
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This question is for you to Paul. Will you both be voting for Scottish independence in 2014?
Certainly.

Scotland is a country blessed with natural resources, renewable energy, oil, whisky, just to name a few! I don´t see what the big problem is with people who have this negative attitude that my country will crash n burn (unionists) when they know absolutely nothing about Scotland and its potential. It is similar to that of Norway and look at their country.

We have our own parliament where we get to make some decisions for ourselves but not control of our revenues which go directly to Westminster.
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Old 06-30-2012, 07:07 AM
 
Location: Next stop Antarctica
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and ashamed of
I'm sure many nations have things they should be ashamed of including the Irish.
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Old 06-30-2012, 07:11 AM
 
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Oh dear, same old clap-trap.
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Old 06-30-2012, 12:14 PM
 
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I'm sure many nations have things they should be ashamed of including the Irish.

yeah but we are a less important country historically so our off days are less noteworthy
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Old 06-30-2012, 12:19 PM
 
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Certainly.

Scotland is a country blessed with natural resources, renewable energy, oil, whisky, just to name a few! I don´t see what the big problem is with people who have this negative attitude that my country will crash n burn (unionists) when they know absolutely nothing about Scotland and its potential. It is similar to that of Norway and look at their country.

We have our own parliament where we get to make some decisions for ourselves but not control of our revenues which go directly to Westminster.

it may have a decent amount of resources but the money which keeps the engines running is in london
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Old 06-30-2012, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Strathclyde & Málaga
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it may have a decent amount of resources but the money which keeps the engines running is in london
Yes because of Scotland where the vast majority of the money comes from. We have more industries and are valuable to England hence why there is a huge propaganda campaign to keep us "together".
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Old 07-01-2012, 08:15 AM
 
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I am leaning towards voting yes, but still a lot of research to do. It is a monumental decision.
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Old 07-03-2012, 12:21 PM
 
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It surprises me that so many posters have felt the greatest national pride when teams representing their countries have won some sporting event or other. Sure, that's great fun, and I also cheer my country's teams and take pride in the athletes' victories - but really, is this the height of national pride??

For me, as an American, I'd look far back into our history, to the bravery and courage of those who wrote and signed the Declaration of Independence, and of those who fought to defend it during the long years of war which followed (I have a direct ancestor who was with Washington at Valley Forge - he was all of seventeen years old then), Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation and the Gettysburg Address and the conciliatory goals expressed therein, Robert E. Lee's nobility in defeat and his decision to use his fame to support reconciliation among all Americans following the Civil War. The sacrifice of so many during World War II saved democracy from the ultimate tyranny and evil - I take pride in all the Allies plus the many civilians who worked for victory on the home front.

More recently, within my lifetime, I found great encouragement in the reactions of the American people to the dreadful events of September 11, 2001. Within two days, well-worn American flags were flown and displayed everywhere - by individual citizens outside their homes for the most part, not in reaction to any requests or orders or even suggestions from government officials, but spontaneously, as symbols of patriotism and national unity. Other flags appeared at privately owned businesses. I drove to Atlanta via I-75 that week - large flags were suspended from every highway overpass between Knoxville and Chattanooga. All spontaneous. As were the long lines of Americans at blood center, waiting to donate, those who gave to the Red Cross and other charities, and the first responders in New York and at the Pentagon and in that field in Pennsylvania...

I did not go one mile on that 300 mile journey from Kentucky to Atlanta without seeing an American flag...

We Americans were angry - righteously indignant, rather - but we were also wounded, grieved, and far more compassionate and generosity to one another, and were united in our determination to rise from the devastation of that terrible day and to honor our nation's heritage and history. I was proud of my fellow Americans that day and in the days and weeks which followed, before flags and yellow ribbons began to be churned out of the world's factories for easy, cynical profit...and before a war with poorly defined goals and objects and directed against the wrong target was begun in response to the cries for revenge against those who had attacked us. It distressed me to see our national unity and newfound pride in our country be so cynically abused by those in authority, in order to achieve completely different goals. It distressed me more to see yet more lives needlessly lost for such goals, and to see yet more entrenchment and hatred on both sides resulting from such an ill-conceived war.

But during the weeks immediately following 9/11 - yes, I felt great pride in my fellow Americans's reactions and responses, and I continue to remember that time with enormous pride.
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