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View Poll Results: EU vs NA
European Union 91 46.67%
North America 104 53.33%
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Old 06-01-2012, 04:35 AM
 
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Western Europe is nicer, no doubt. Western Europe is a protected garden that does not pay for their defense. I hope it continues that way. If the EU the defense of interests to national armies, it will cease to exist. Take a look at what happened when Argentina confiscated YPF, nothing happened in the EEC. The US would have sent their ships or would have imposed a blockade. No change since Munich.
If you add up the military spending of France, Germany and the UK, you're pretty even with he total military spending of Russia and China. Tiny places like Norway is in the worlds top 30 for military spending. Places like Italy, Spain, Sweden etc are not skimping. Fact is, the total military spending of western Europe is massively over the top, outstripping any possible opposition.

Sorry to interrupt your screaming rant with actual facts. You may find that having some basic knowledge of the things you rant on leads to less embarrassment in the long run.

 
Old 06-01-2012, 05:52 AM
 
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Spain, France, etc...might SPEND BILLIONS AND BILLIONS in all sorts of WEAPONS. But they will never have the necessary COJONCILLOS to defend themselves if Americans are not behind.

If you study the history of Europe, you will find that in 1940 the French Army was three times the size of the German Army. The combined army of France and England was 5 times greater than the German army...but they did not have the cojoncillos to stop Hitler in Munich.

Europe has not changed a bit. Without the US in the NATO, there's no NATO...and in the long run, NO EEC.

The EEC is d.i.c.kless "Europe of merchants" that needs a patron and mercenaries.
 
Old 06-01-2012, 07:24 AM
 
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Spain, France, etc...might SPEND BILLIONS AND BILLIONS in all sorts of WEAPONS. But they will never have the necessary COJONCILLOS to defend themselves if Americans are not behind.

If you study the history of Europe, you will find that in 1940 the French Army was three times the size of the German Army. The combined army of France and England was 5 times greater than the German army...but they did not have the cojoncillos to stop Hitler in Munich.

Europe has not changed a bit. Without the US in the NATO, there's no NATO...and in the long run, NO EEC.

The EEC is d.i.c.kless "Europe of merchants" that needs a patron and mercenaries.
Don't you get tired of making a new account everytime you embarass yourself?
 
Old 06-01-2012, 02:28 PM
 
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Western Europe is nicer, no doubt. Western Europe is a protected garden that does not pay for their defense. I hope it continues that way. If the EU the defense of interests to national armies, it will cease to exist. Take a look at what happened when Argentina confiscated YPF, nothing happened in the EEC. The US would have sent their ships or would have imposed a blockade. No change since Munich.
Sent their ships or impose a blockade? Are you kidding me? So you mean basically threaten military action because a US corporation made a poor investment? I think those days are pretty much over, aren't they? What did we do when Venezuela, and more recently Bolivia, had their wave of nationalization?
 
Old 06-02-2012, 02:26 AM
 
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Venezuela well paid their nationalizations or offered compensation underhand. The US acts in many ways when their interests are threatened, but the EEC does not have any instrument to act jointly because EEC is an Economic Union. Illegal confiscations are not poor investments.
 
Old 06-04-2012, 12:38 AM
 
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Oycrumbler

Venezuela well paid their nationalizations or offered compensation underhand. The US acts in many ways when their interests are threatened, but the EEC does not have any instrument to act jointly because EEC is an Economic Union. Illegal confiscations are not poor investments.
Argentina forced the purchase of YPF, Venezuela did the same. They did both actually pay though (after price manipulation) and the corporations cried foul in both cases. I'd like to see how Venezuela somehow gave a much better deal than Argentina did.

EEC or EU?

Investing in politically volatile regions are poor investments. Investments of all kinds come with a huge spectrum of volatility, risks, and rewards. It's pretty much how it goes.
 
Old 06-04-2012, 03:12 AM
 
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No, Argentina did not pay a red cent for YPF. Agentina just confiscated illegally the part of YPF belonging to REPSOL, obviating the rest. It was just a populist and jingoist measure against Spain. They did not confiscate the part belonging to American trust funds.

Venezuela paid, Argentina did not pay, and if Argentina pays, they will pay less than one fifth.

Almost the entire world is volatile and risky, that's why strong investing countries have tribunals, armies, secret services, dirty wars, paid journalists, etc. In fact, Argentina confiscated YPF because the perceived that Spain was weak.

Investing in politically volatile regions are good investments, better investments that investing in the EEC righ now. But the problem is that you need strong governments behind.
 
Old 07-01-2012, 08:24 AM
 
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Hard to say, because Canada is quite a different country to the US. They have a parliamentary system of government, free healthcare and it's just...different. Being from the EU, I would pick the EU hands down, but I would also gladly live in Canada, especially the eastern seaboard or Ontario.
 
Old 07-05-2012, 06:43 AM
 
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Cities - More history in Europe. More advanced in America.
Weather - Both are varied.
People - US.
Sports - US. I don't like football/soccer.
Economy - Both are in pretty bad shape at the moment.
Scenery - EU.
Education - EU.
Nightlife - Europeans definitely party harder. More drinking culture here, not as taboo.
Other -
 
Old 07-05-2012, 07:09 AM
 
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Cities - EU
Weather - Either, depending on where.
People - EU
Sports - EU
Economy - EU
Scenery - EU (love man-made stuff as opposed to wild nature)
Education - EU
Nightlife - EU
Other -...chances are, EU.
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