Pacific Rim vs Atlantic Realm, which is more prominent/powerful/significant?

[Thirty All]

Atlantic.
New York, D.C., London alone....
Plus Brussels, the de facto capital of the EU, Frankfurt, the economic capitol of continental Europe, Paris, Toronto...

[PacoMartin]

Originally Posted by Aztecgoddess

Not true, at all.
The most populated areas are in central Mexico. And from there the distance to both the Pacific and the Atlantic coast are pretty much the same.

Even until the end of the 19th century the coast was not heavily populated in Mexico. Even states with coastlines did not have big population centers on the ocean.

Population of Mexico in 1895

• 8.76% *Jalisco--------------- coastal state but coast sparsely populated (Pacific)
• 8.41% *Guanajuato
• 7.80% *Puebla
• 7.07% *Michoacán--------------- coastal state but coast sparsely populated (Pacific)
• 7.05% *Oaxaca --------------- coastal state but coast sparsely populated (Pacific)
• 6.79% *Veracruz --------------- coastal state (Atlantic)
• 6.63% *Mexico
• 4.49% *San Luis Potosí
• 4.43% *Hidalgo
• 3.73% *Federal District
• 3.59% *Zacatecas
• 3.31% *Guerrero --------------- coastal state (Pacific)
• 2.52% *Chiapas --------------- coastal state (Pacific)
• 2.45% *Nuevo León
• 2.35% *Yucatán --------------- coastal state (Atlantic)
• 2.33% *Durango
• 2.09% *Chihuahua
• 2.05% *Sinaloa --------------- coastal state (Pacific)
• 1.90% *Coahuila
• 1.83% *Querétaro
• 1.64% *Tamaulipas --------------- coastal state (Atlantic)
• 1.52% *Sonora
• 1.32% *Tlaxcala
• 1.25% *Morelos
• 1.32% *Tepic Territory --------------- coastal state (Pacific)
• 1.06% *Tabasco --------------- coastal state (Atlantic)
• 0.82% *Aguascalientes
• 0.69% *Campeche --------------- coastal state (Atlantic)
• 0.44% *Colima --------------- coastal state (Pacific)
• 0.34% *Baja California Territory --------------- coastal state (Pacific)

Look at the population of the 10 largest cities in 1890

1 New York city, NY *................ 1,515,301
2 Chicago city, IL................... 1,099,850 - inland
3 Philadelphia city, PA.............. 1,046,964
4 Brooklyn city, NY *................ 806,343
5 St. Louis city, MO................. 451,770 - inland
6 Boston city, MA.................... 448,477
7 Baltimore city, MD................. 434,439
8 San Francisco city, CA............. 298,997
9 Cincinnati city, OH................ 296,908 - inland
10 Cleveland city, OH................. 261,353 - inland

[prospectheightsresident]

I think since you can include the US and Russia as both Pacific Rim nations and as Atlantic powers, there's an argument for both.

[svelten]

Hard to say, very close. Going by just the global Alpha/+/++ type cities, Pacific Rim resembles the new economy:

Sydney
San Francisco
Los Angeles
Tokyo
Seoul
Beijing
Shanghai
Hong Kong


While Atlantic Rim is the established economy from the past century:

London
New York
Paris
Boston
Amsterdam
Frankfurt
Brussels
Madrid

(Toronto & Chicago are not an Atlantic Rim cities IMO, those are midwest cities and not associated with the ocean unlike the others on this list)

I would go with Pacific Rim going forwards though

[Greysholic]

At this point it's obviously the Pacific.

[jvalens]

Pacific Rim is more powerful because of manufacturing and technology. The titans of the semiconductor industry are all on the Pacific Rim.