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Old 11-06-2012, 12:18 PM
Location: Telford, Shropshire UK
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Originally Posted by albion View Post
But how can it be working when many Americans feel the need to carry a concealed gun? We don't have work place shootings, movie theater shootings, church shootings or school shootings, these atrocities are rare in the UK, in the US there seems to be one a week.

Perhaps you can tell us unbrainwashed how the second amendment has made America a safer place to live in?
I don't think that America's ills could be solved by banning guns. Those school, cinema, workplace and college shootings are symptomatic of much deeper problems, as is the gang violence in America's inner cities, which as rough as some British cities are, none come close to places like Detroit, Baltimore, Miami and St. Louis. The real challenge is tacking poverty and inequality and perhaps making America less dog eat dog as a society. Other countries have the same laws pertaining to gun ownership, but nowhere near the same level of death and violence.
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Old 11-06-2012, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by viribusunitis View Post
Whoops, I'm sorry. Just realized that since October 2012 other rules apply. Now Cat D weapons also have to be registered by citizens of Austria and other EU citizens. Weapons of Cat D bought before October don't have to be registered, though.
You are still off.
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Old 11-06-2012, 02:39 PM
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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Originally Posted by theunbrainwashed View Post
I think we can leave this discussion at, the US and Americans are different from most Europeans. We have our way of life and we don't wish to have it changed, just like over there you have yours and want it the way you do What works in one country probably will not work in another
That remark was not meant offensive. It was actually meant quite like you said: You have your way of life, we have ours.
The introduction of more liberal gun laws in Austria would probably lead to a public hysteria, as would the introduction of more strict gun laws in America. It's probably just a cultural thing.
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Old 11-07-2012, 06:39 AM
Location: Victoria TX
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It is important to remember the context in which the Bill of Rights was added to the Constitution. The Preamble to the Bill of Rights reads:

The Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added:

So, the reason for the Right to Bear Arms was to prevent the abuse of the powers of the Constitution. In other words, to defend the American people, with guns if necessary, against their own errant government should it slip out of compliance with the Constitution. The well-known "Second Amendment Remedy" described by some far right zealots. More bluntly, for the citizens to kill the police, if the police overstep their bounds.

Of course, at such time that the police might abuse their powers, they would start out by abusing the Second Amendment.
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