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Old 06-25-2012, 06:02 AM
 
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We are talking about the Russians. Not about the peoples of Russia. But in Any case, In Russia itself and in Kamchatka large part of the population of the Slavs (Russians).In the same Siberia is not full of natives, they are as much as it , but the Russian population prevails exactly and much, so and in all parts of Russia mainly(for the most part)You are not confusing the difference between the Russian citizen (citizens of Russia) And Russian (nationality)
Fair enough about ethnicity and citizenship. I would make an exception about "Russians prevailing everywhere" though. In Yakutsk, you see 80% of population are Yakuts. In the tundra, you see 80% of the population are the ethnic groups.

Perhaps they are just as invisible not only to the rest of the world, but to their own government that was pretending they didn't exist, relegated to the back of the society's mind (while "christening" them out of their "shamanism") - just as the Natives of America and Canada are sort of "invisible" when people talk about "Americans" and "Canadians".
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Old 06-25-2012, 06:02 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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When the great Christian divide took place centuries ago- a split occurred - some Christians stayed loyal to Rome- "western rights" - The rest including what is Russia embraced Constantinople ...which became eastern rights...It was the east west Christian riff. Catholic pitted against Orthodox Christianity- It has had cultural and spiritual effects to this day- Russians have an eastern nature and attitude..

In warfare- one of the reasons AMERICA fails when dealing with the eastern cultures is simple. I leaned this combative mindset from my father- Enrage the enemy- cause him to lose his mind and attack like a raging bull- you have harnessed his energy- provoke the bull till he charges- at the last moment retreat or move aside and let the bull crash head long into a stone wall.


Westerners do not have this way of thinking- They have a puff you chest out John Wayne way of fighting..where the ego swells and you advance like a fool- thinking because the enemy is not advancing or in retreat that they run in fear...The west always gets sucked into this trap...Look at the lack of success even in back waters like Afghanistan..common goat herders control the situation through faking cowardice.

Good example is Iran the former Persia..They wish desperately that they are attacked and they provoke...or call the west forth- I have learned that if you do not apply force...you always win...the attacker will always lose. As a kid I never ever started a street fight- and I won every street fight.


American ego had better understand that pride and projection of power will lose in the end- always...Look at the German advance into Russia during ww2...The Germans were like a pushing rapists- the Russians the inviting vagina - that entices..then swallows you up to suffocate slowly...Not a great example - but you get the concept.



Russians are still easterner - My dad would fall to his knees and beg for mercy...the other guys ego would swell- and as the other man's mind clouded in self admiration - Pops would take them out...worked every time.


Humanity moved west to settle and westerner people still have that aggressive pioneer attitude- well- the pioneer days are over and east does meet west eventually.
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Old 06-25-2012, 06:02 AM
 
Location: State Fire and Ice
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Russians are slavic Eastern Europeans. Russians are an ethnia, a melting pot of many races (as most European countries) cemented by Slavic culture and the Orthodox religion.
Yes it is, but in Russia, not only Orthodox religion, the it.She basic
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Old 06-25-2012, 06:08 AM
 
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Fair enough about ethnicity and citizenship. I would make an exception about "Russians prevailing everywhere" though. In Yakutsk, you see 80% of population are Yakuts. In the tundra, you see 80% of the population are the ethnic groups.

Perhaps they are just as invisible not only to the rest of the world, but to their own government that was pretending they didn't exist, relegated to the back of the society's mind (while "christening" them out of their "shamanism") - just as the Natives of America and Canada are sort of "invisible" when people talk about "Americans" and "Canadians".
No, they are visible and the same attitude to them as to all of the good, I did most of the talking, not in all the regions of the Russian population prevails but in most
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Old 06-25-2012, 06:18 AM
 
Location: State Fire and Ice
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When the great Christian divide took place centuries ago- a split occurred - some Christians stayed loyal to Rome- "western rights" - The rest including what is Russia embraced Constantinople ...which became eastern rights...It was the east west Christian riff. Catholic pitted against Orthodox Christianity- It has had cultural and spiritual effects to this day- Russians have an eastern nature and attitude..

In warfare- one of the reasons AMERICA fails when dealing with the eastern cultures is simple. I leaned this combative mindset from my father- Enrage the enemy- cause him to lose his mind and attack like a raging bull- you have harnessed his energy- provoke the bull till he charges- at the last moment retreat or move aside and let the bull crash head long into a stone wall.


Westerners do not have this way of thinking- They have a puff you chest out John Wayne way of fighting..where the ego swells and you advance like a fool- thinking because the enemy is not advancing or in retreat that they run in fear...The west always gets sucked into this trap...Look at the lack of success even in back waters like Afghanistan..common goat herders control the situation through faking cowardice.

Good example is Iran the former Persia..They wish desperately that they are attacked and they provoke...or call the west forth- I have learned that if you do not apply force...you always win...the attacker will always lose. As a kid I never ever started a street fight- and I won every street fight.


American ego had better understand that pride and projection of power will lose in the end- always...Look at the German advance into Russia during ww2...The Germans were like a pushing rapists- the Russians the inviting vagina - that entices..then swallows you up to suffocate slowly...Not a great example - but you get the concept.



Russians are still easterner - My dad would fall to his knees and beg for mercy...the other guys ego would swell- and as the other man's mind clouded in self admiration - Pops would take them out...worked every time.


Humanity moved west to settle and westerner people still have that aggressive pioneer attitude- well- the pioneer days are over and east does meet west eventually.
Honestly understand the meaning but not fully, what was said about Afghanistan and 2 of the world?(I don't understand) please Explain
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Old 06-25-2012, 08:56 AM
 
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They look like westerners, but some of the cultural traits (very male dominated society, etc.) remind me more of easterners.
Interestingly enough, I don't think that this particular trait of Russians (very male dominated society) is based on any particular Eastern traditions, but rather on Christian values that were deeply ingrated in Russians, no matter what system they lived under. Basically Russians still stick to them in this respect, where these rules are long forgotten by Western Europeans.
After all, Russia is a country of Domostroy, and that in many ways defined their cultural values.

Domostroy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Old 06-25-2012, 09:07 AM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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The definition of 'West' doesn't seem to be set in stone.

If by 'West' you mean largely Europoid physical appearance and Christian, then yes, of course...

Russia has 'oriental' influence through Central Asian civilisation and some rather cursory indigenous influence, but overall if West = European then Russia is a 'Western' society.

If 'West' is first world developed, as in Western Europe, N.America.etc, than no, Russia is still part of the non-existence 'second world'/Soviet bloc.
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Old 06-25-2012, 09:08 AM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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Yes you are right! Western civilization has grown by Protestant values, where success, efficiency of life, making money is the salvation of man. Russian civilization grew by Orthodox values, where the basis of salvation of the human soul were justice, compassion, morality, and communitarianism . If to say that we are the East, that we are not Chinese, not Japanese. If the West: we are not Americans, the Germans and the French. We are Russian, we are different. And the way of culture and of course the other
Obviously Catholicism does and has a role to play in Western civilisation...
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Old 06-25-2012, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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Most Russians are European.. is eastern Europe (Poland, Czech Republic, Estonia etc) considered to be part of the West?
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Old 06-25-2012, 02:57 PM
 
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Most Russians are European.. is eastern Europe (Poland, Czech Republic, Estonia etc) considered to be part of the West?
This is exactly right. Most of Eastern, Central, and Southestern Europe populated by Slavs that speak Slavic langauges. Eastern Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It just happened that over thousands of years Russians migrated East populating vast areas extending from Europe into Asia. Nevertheless culturally slavic countris (Bulgaria, Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Slovenia etc.) are similar to each other with their European roots. When "planted" in foreign soil Russians are more at home in Europe then anywhere else.
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