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Russians are slavic Eastern Europeans. Russians are an ethnia, a melting pot of many races (as most European countries) cemented by Slavic culture and the Orthodox religion.
Not only Slavic, and not only Orthodoxy, but also in most Yes
Neutre, the Russian civilization recognizes both the West and the East and can exist peacefully with them and with weak civilizations and will not try to enslave and destroy it from the culture and turn it into a Western civilization or get to work at it.
This wasn't the Aleuts' experience of Russian "civilization", nor many of the Siberian Native peoples' experience after contact with Russians.
This wasn't the Aleuts' experience of Russian "civilization", nor many of the Siberian Native peoples' experience after contact with Russians.
No. You know about these people, right? This means that they exist today. They are not altered - such as they were before the arrival of Russians. These people live on the same territory before the arrival of Russians, they have left their own language, culture, faith, they have natural resources are the same as before.. and today enjoy such enjoy the benefits of the breathtaking backdrop to enjoy the Russians! (that means that none of them were enslaved as it was done in America and other countries of the world.) In America these people live in the reserve and do not have such rights as in Russia. You have destroyed almost completely and their culture
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In America there is really no national entities (excluding reserves), as historically the entire population of the continent (the country), on modern "Baltic" terminology - occupiers (invaders). Every American, except for the indigenous people of America - Indians, who, by the way, live in reservations, regardless of the color of the skin, knows that his ancestors arrived on the continent from the other part of the world.
Quite another matter in Russia. Here people have lived together and around for many centuries. It is people. Moreover, despite the costs of tsarism and Bolshevism, which conducted a peculiar national policy (although it is possible that and because of it), the main part of the ethnic groups to preserve its language, culture, statehood, was not assimilated by, as it was done in a more civilized States such as France or Germany. We remind those who do not know, that in their present territories lived quite a lot of different people. At the same time it is not excluded, that to small peoples of the North, for example, for the historically small peoples - reservation could be protected from urbanization, which is able to destroy and destroy their culture because of limited human and genetic resources of these people (if they want it. The ability of peoples to live in harmony allowed to keep ethnic groups and create an unique state with a national-territorial device of Russia.Russia is a Russian-speaking civilization, the Russian-speaking world, which has long held, in spite of having a place of hostility, like the Roman Empire, the peoples living there in the world and served as a counterweight to other expansive ambitions.That is the essence of the Russian civilization, not minor conflicts with indigenous peoples in the past, but in the end, which is the ability to find harmony and friendship with the peoples, which cannot be said about the West and even the East.
They are not altered - such as they were before the arrival of Russians. These people live on the same territory before the arrival of Russians, they have left their own language, culture, faith, they have natural resources are the same as before.. and today enjoy such enjoy the benefits of the breathtaking backdrop to enjoy the Russians! (that means that none of them were enslaved as it was done in America and other countries of the world.) In America these people live in the reserve and do not have such rights as in Russia. You have destroyed almost completely and their culture
Shamanism was completely stamped out among the Yakuts. No hope of a revival. The only shamans in yakutia are Evenk and Chuckchi. The Aleut spiritual traditions were completely destroyed and replaced with Russian Orthodoxy. Shamanism survived in other parts of Siberia only by going underground. The Russians did enslave the Aleuts. And whether or not Native Americans have more or fewer rights than the Siberian Native peoples, even those with their own republics, is highly debatable. Too complex an issue to get into here. Also, I couldn't help notice the extent to which the Russian education system has assimilated the Native peoples. Some would say this is a good thing. Again, it's highly debatable. The education system wasn't as successful in its assimilationist goals in North America, which has its plus side and minus side.
Anyway, the thread is about Russians, not Native peoples, so we don't need to debate this here.
Shamanism was completely stamped out among the Yakuts. No hope of a revival. The only shamans in yakutia are Evenk and Chuckchi. The Aleut spiritual traditions were completely destroyed and replaced with Russian Orthodoxy. Shamanism survived in other parts of Siberia only by going underground. The Russians did enslave the Aleuts. And whether or not Native Americans have more or fewer rights than the Siberian Native peoples, even those with their own republics, is highly debatable. Too complex an issue to get into here. Also, I couldn't help notice the extent to which the Russian education system has assimilated the Native peoples. Some would say this is a good thing. Again, it's highly debatable. The education system wasn't as successful in its assimilationist goals in North America, which has its plus side and minus side.
Anyway, the thread is about Russians, not Native peoples, so we don't need to debate this here.
Shamanism is pagan roots, and the Russians, too, when they were pagan like all the rest of the the peoples of the. nevertheless they remain and live how I want them and the territory they do not take away and does not drive to the reservation as in the nature reserve. From the educated can think that in America, his life would be better but that is educated. Koryak Autonomous Okrug, too, thought that they both separately from Kamchatka to live their lives would be better, but after a time they merged with Kamchatka and turned Kamchatsky Krai.You are right, this is not the place for discussion but the less this topic is interwoven with this
Grey Karast, please tell all this with your own words - I'll translate, because this post of yours is important; it reflects the way Russians perceive their core difference with the West.
( whether this perception is true or not is a different question)
So here it goes...
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Western civilization ( America including, because it's obviously a part of Western civilization) doesn't like competition. Its attitude towards Eastern, "weak" civilizations is negative; it considers t them inferior and not worthy of existence.
Russian civilization is different; it acknowledges both the West and the East and doesn't try to subjugate or destroy their culture and homogenize it with their own civilization, as the West does.
This is the main difference between our civilizations.
But at the end, both the East and the West will follow the example of Russian civilization, because it's the only right path. Our civilization is god-given, because it can coexist with you and with others ( that's why we have such a big country, where a lot of different ethnicities live in peace side by side.) That's why our culture is based on spirituality, unlike the West.
Of course it will take long time ( to reach it) but for now it's all about our survival. At the end we'll come to self-fulfillment of our civilization, which is important formation of the Universe. Formation, that includes understanding of the state, people, a man and nature; understanding how everything should work in harmony.
Holly mother of god is watching over Russia and her people, that's why we are still staying afloat, in spite of all the calamities.
The West is used to think that power rules the world and the West wants to rule the world. Russia believes that power is given to protect the weak and to protect oneself from those who want to destroy us, and who don't want to live with us in harmony. This is a reason of a cold war and the misunderstanding of us today. But Russia will continue to stay its course.
We have a lot in common between our civilizations, but a lot of differences as well.
The fact that the nationalities get along is a myth started in Soviet times and kept alive today. That's all I can say without having to post an entire dissertation.
The fact that the nationalities get along is a myth started in Soviet times and kept alive today. That's all I can say without having to post an entire dissertation.
IN THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION? It's not a myth . Рeopleof different nationalities understand each other well and get along among themselves, there is some misunderstanding with some of the Caucasian people and it is not in General. With regard to the times of the Soviet Union but in the era of understanding and respect was much deeper than it is today. So in that you are very much mistaken
The superficial peace between Native nationalities and Russians is maintained at the expense of the nationalities*, who have to self-censor conversations whenever Russians or Ukrainians are around. Anyone who speaks publicly or manages to publish on nationality issues gets monitored by the FSB (former KGB), and it is arranged for activists on nationality issues to be fired from their jobs. The move toward internal autonomy and a measure of sovereignty that some of the Native republics in the Federation had initiated in the first half of the 1990's was crushed when Moscow had its own hand-picked "representatives" of each republic sign the new federal agreement, rather than the people the nationalities had chosen to represent them and reject the federal agreement in favor of a more autonomous government-to-government relationship with Moscow.
Measures were implemented in some republics to water down the ethnic (=Native) vote, and in Yakutia and Buryatia, Russian education officials took over or closed education institutions that had focussed on nationality culture and politics. Under Putin especially, there has been a lot of repression of nationality issues. When the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples was finally ratified, there was no news of it in the media. Instead, there was coverage of Russia's signing on to the International Labor Organization's Convention 169 on the Indigenous people's rights. This was very old news, at least 10 years old, but it was presented as current, to substitute for news on the UN Declaration, which Russia declined to sign. Discussion of this sort of thing can only take place behind closed doors when Russians are not around.
*meaning those with their own republics in the Federation, mainly, but also to some extent the small-in-number-nations of the North.
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