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Old 07-03-2012, 07:13 AM
 
Location: Scotland
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Incredible, now that would encourage people not to work. Do they have to pay rent or is that including rent?
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Old 07-03-2012, 01:40 PM
 
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Incredible, now that would encourage people not to work. Do they have to pay rent or is that including rent?
not everyone qualifies but those who do , recieve rent allowance aswell
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Old 07-03-2012, 02:58 PM
 
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The problem in the US is different. Their Welfare System is based on Calvinist Principles (just like Switzerland) and not on Socialist or Fascist principles. According to them (and to the Swiss) every able person with resources should pay for health.
What are you talking about? Switzerland has universal healthcare. It's provided by private non-profits, but it covers everyone, and it's subsidized based on your income.
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To compete in the market for compulsory health insurance, a Swiss health insurer must be registered with the Swiss Federal Office of Public Health, which regulates health insurance under the 1994 statute. The insurers were not allowed to earn profits from the mandated benefit package, although they have always been able to profit from the sale of actuarially priced supplementary benefits (mainly superior amenities).
Regulations require "a 25-year-old and an 80-year-old individual pay a given insurer the same premium for the same type of policy..Overall, then, the Swiss health system is a variant of the highly government-regulated social insurance systems of Europe..that rely on ostensibly private, nonprofit health insurers that also are subject to uniform fee schedules and myriad government regulations."


The insured pays the insurance premium for the basic plan up to 8% of their personal income. If a premium is higher than this, then the government gives the insured a cash subsidy to pay for any additional premium.

The universal compulsory coverage provides for treatment in case of illness or accident (unless another accident insurance provides the cover) and pregnancy. Health insurance covers the costs of medical treatment and hospitalization of the insured. However, the insured person pays part of the cost of treatment. This is done:
by means of an annual excess (or deductible, called the franchise), which ranges from CHF 300 to a maximum of CHF 2,500 as chosen by the insured person (premiums are adjusted accordingly);
and by a charge of 10% of the costs over and above the excess. This is known as the retention, and is up to a maximum of 700CHF per year (excluding medication).
In case of pregnancy there is no charge. For hospitalisation, one pays a contribution to room and service costs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Switzerland

Compare this with the American healthcare system: "Don't get sick or you're ****ed."
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Old 07-05-2012, 01:29 AM
 
Location: Glasgow Scotland
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the UK far too lenient with the wrong people it seems, and handouts galore to people who havent contributed to the system.. in my opinion.
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Old 07-05-2012, 01:45 AM
 
Location: Brisbane
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it is true , the old age pension is 232 euro per week , 464 euro per week for a couple who are pensioners , thats the state pension , private pensions or public sector pensions are a different matter
In Australia the standard government old age pension for a single is $377.65 or around 300 euros per week.

The dole is $247 per week for a single, which is basically an unlivable amount for someone who also wants to rent their own place.

The minunmum full time wage for a person over the age of 21 is $606 per week, so a single is far better off working than surviving on social security.

Although the maternity leave scheme in oz is pretty poor compared to most of the ones in europe.



Australia is very much a Robin Hood Country, it steals from the rich and give to the poor.

Hear is a graph showing what % of wealthfare payments are directed to the poorest 20% of households, and how much tax thoes households pay. Its from 2007 and has only gotten worse (or better if you like) since then.



Needless to say if you happen to be in the middle class, the system is not very generous at all.

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Old 07-05-2012, 03:35 AM
 
Location: Brisbane
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Should add, payments are not automatic, if i lost my job tomorrow, the only way i would ever get any government payment is if my wife lost hers as well. No idea how common this is in other countries?

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Old 07-05-2012, 04:08 AM
 
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In Australia the standard government old age pension for a single is $377.65 or around 300 euros per week.

The dole is $247 per week for a single, which is basically an unlivable amount for someone who also wants to rent their own place.

The minunmum full time wage for a person over the age of 21 is $606 per week, so a single is far better off working than surviving on social security.

Although the maternity leave scheme in oz is pretty poor compared to most of the ones in europe.



Australia is very much a Robin Hood Country, it steals from the rich and give to the poor.

Hear is a graph showing what % of wealthfare payments are directed to the poorest 20% of households, and how much tax thoes households pay. Its from 2007 and has only gotten worse (or better if you like) since then.



Needless to say if you happen to be in the middle class, the system is not very generous at all.

and do pensioners recieve any added perks along with that $377 per week , here they have their electricity , telephone , tv licence , medical bills , all paid for , they also can travel for free on public transport , food is their only real fixed expense , even you never worked a day in your life or paid a penny in tax , you recieve 218 euro per week once you reach the age of 66 , those who paid prsi recieve 230 euro per week , i mistakenly said it was 232
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Old 07-05-2012, 04:22 AM
 
Location: Brisbane
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and do pensioners recieve any added perks along with that $377 per week , here they have their electricity , telephone , tv licence , medical bills , all paid for , they also can travel for free on public transport , food is their only real fixed expense , even you never worked a day in your life or paid a penny in tax , you recieve 218 euro per week once you reach the age of 66 , those who paid prsi recieve 230 euro per week , i mistakenly said it was 232
Well they do recieve discounts on electricity bills, car registrations, public transport and property taxes if you have to pay them, discounts can vary greatly depending on which state or city you live in.

They issue health care cards to eligable people which reduce medical bills to pretty well zero for most things including perscription medicine ,i am partially deaf and are required to wear hearing aids, the government paid for these when i was a student and held a health care card, the medical system is national. TV licences do not exist in Australia.

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Old 07-05-2012, 07:07 AM
 
Location: Scotland
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People in the UK slate people on benefits! Jobseekers get £50 (62 Euros a week), and in Ireland and Australia people are getting a wage on benefits!
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Old 07-05-2012, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Australia
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People in the UK slate people on benefits! Jobseekers get £50 (62 Euros a week), and in Ireland and Australia people are getting a wage on benefits!
Well, I don't know about Ireland, but the unemployment benefit of $247 a week in Australia for a single adult is less than half of what that adult would earn in a minimum wage job. So $247 is hardly a wage! It does, however, seem rather generous compared with the UK benefit.
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