Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Celebrating Memorial Day!
Go Back   City-Data Forum > World Forums > World
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 06-28-2012, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Burlington, Colorado
350 posts, read 851,064 times
Reputation: 504

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by LindavG View Post
Isn't that the main argument for gun ownership, that you feel safer because you're able to defend yourself with deadly force?
I'm not talking about gun ownership one way or the other. Rather its pro-gun, anti-gun, or video cameras everywhere... the argument that "I am more free because I am more safe" is what I am talking about.

Quote:
By the way, I don't think freedom necessarily trumps safety at all times. Who says it has to?
I didn't... I just said you can't necessarily equate them.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 06-28-2012, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Mississippi Delta!
468 posts, read 789,893 times
Reputation: 268
Maybe the Dutch do a better job of policing themselves than Americans do.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-28-2012, 10:11 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
2,866 posts, read 5,255,757 times
Reputation: 3425
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Balducci View Post
Maybe the Dutch do a better job of policing themselves than Americans do.
I don't think that's the reason. I believe it has more to do with the fact that things tend to become less appealing if they're widely available and not so controversial. In the Netherlands, there is a much more open attitude towards sex and drugs than in the US. People aren't easily shocked by things, it's mostly a 'live and let live, as long as you're not hurting others' culture.

There was a show on Dutch public television a while ago that informed young people about drugs and sex. Can you imagine something like this on American television?


Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-28-2012, 02:04 PM
 
Location: CHICAGO, Illinois
934 posts, read 1,449,053 times
Reputation: 1680
The OP clip is pretty interesting, but I think most people might be surprised how many Americans are already aware of this. Knowing my generation, I think the shock of the audience is that someone was actually willing to say it. He is right. The first step to solving a problem is admitting there is one.

However, I tend to get irritated by people who romanticize about the past. "Americans used to do this; we used to believe this" (I don't think the belief in angels would have been less common in the past...). And my person favorite "The 19__s were the golden age." Sure, if you were a straight white upperclass male. Americans are having problems--like we've always had problems. Are they worse than the problems of the past? Are people less aware than before? Much like freedom and greatness, it is hard to get a sense on how this can be measured.

Also, the American ego is a strange thing, both annoying but endearing at the same time. We work hard, take pride in our country and our achievements, but it shouldn't be at the expense of others countries. We are society built from other countries. I think diversity gives a country strength.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-28-2012, 02:21 PM
 
6,066 posts, read 6,023,702 times
Reputation: 3644
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDGeek View Post
I spent most of my 20s living in various European countries. I didn't feel any more or less free in any of them than I do here in the US, the exception being the UK. I felt less free there.
Funny how we view the same differently. I always felt freer in London because of the degree of awareness. '
London was and still is though to less an extent a more left leaning city where everyone could find their niche,regardless of politics.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-28-2012, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Atlanta & NYC
6,616 posts, read 13,864,824 times
Reputation: 6664
It's so obvious that Obama loves socialist principles, yet a ton of stupid Americans are going to lead him to victory in the next election. I have spoken with numerous political enthusiasts from other nations such as France, Germany, Italy, and Russia who have told me that America is going down the same path their countries have in the past.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-28-2012, 02:31 PM
 
6,066 posts, read 6,023,702 times
Reputation: 3644
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scotslass View Post
The true idea of freedom just doesn´t exist anymore, every country has a government which forms rules and laws.

As for feeling free, I do especially living in Europe.
Not forgetting those behind government unelected,having influence pushing very effectively other agenda's and they wonder why folk turn away from the demorcratic process.

I agree with the feeling of freedom in Europe and greater depth and diversity of debate in my opinion.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-28-2012, 02:38 PM
 
6,066 posts, read 6,023,702 times
Reputation: 3644
Quote:
Originally Posted by ja1myn View Post
It's so obvious that Obama loves socialist principles, yet a ton of stupid Americans are going to lead him to victory in the next election. I have spoken with numerous political enthusiasts from other nations such as France, Germany, Italy, and Russia who have told me that America is going down the same path their countries have in the past.
Perhaps the onus should be on the word principles. And yes I do believe Obama has those. Sadly economic considerations have derailed his agenda in making America a fairer nation.

Most Europeans are content with social policies. Just had it up too the back teeth with the corporate bankers and big business and greed and Euro Politics.....
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-28-2012, 02:43 PM
 
6,066 posts, read 6,023,702 times
Reputation: 3644
Quote:
Originally Posted by LindavG View Post
I don't think that's the reason. I believe it has more to do with the fact that things tend to become less appealing if they're widely available and not so controversial. In the Netherlands, there is a much more open attitude towards sex and drugs than in the US. People aren't easily shocked by things, it's mostly a 'live and let live, as long as you're not hurting others' culture.

There was a show on Dutch public television a while ago that informed young people about drugs and sex. Can you imagine something like this on American television?


Indeed. Sound points. Issues are discussed and brought into the open in Northern Europe,at least. Nothing new in that. That is what gives an edge to those counties like Netherlands.
Kids seem to mature faster and certainly more wordly....
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-28-2012, 03:02 PM
 
689 posts, read 2,169,980 times
Reputation: 909
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigCityDreamer View Post

For one thing, the U.S. has the highest number of top-ranking global cities of any country in the world. Take a look at this list:

GaWC - The World According to GaWC 2010

New York City, Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Washington, Boston, Dallas, Atlanta and Philadelphia are all "alpha" category cities. Top that!
Also, the USA has more cities (11) in the bottom group than any other country, so doesn't that make the USA the worst country in the world?

This site has surfaced here before, and there is no definition of "Alpha City". Is an Alpha City better than a non-alpha city, or does it just have some measurable standard higher than most cities, and if so, what is that standard?

If the USA has more Alpha Cities than, say, Norway, does that necessarily make the USA a better country than Norway? Or just a bigger one? Or just a country that has more money to lavish on whatever features it takes to make a city an Alpha City? Furthermore, there are only two countries in the world that have more cities than the US, so no matter what the standards are, or even if the cities are simply chosen at random, the USA is sure to be in the top three for cities on that list.

So you have presented the argument that the USA is a "greatest country" candidate, using exactly one criterion (the number of cities making the GaWC list), and you (nor the rest of us) have absolutely no idea what the standards are for making that list.

Last edited by CowanStern; 06-28-2012 at 03:13 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > World Forums > World

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:10 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top