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Old 06-29-2012, 09:33 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Yet another city to consider: Boston. It gets very cold in the winter, but the summers are not as hot and long as NYC and other east coast cities to the south. Boston has a high COL, but it's not as expensive as NYC and SF.

I'm wondering whether you'll go for these east coast cities though, because none of them really fit your weather requirements in #1. Sounds to me like PNW weather is what you're looking for.

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Old 07-06-2012, 04:18 PM
 
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I'd greatly appreciate if you could apply your knowledge and suggest a place.
Here's what I'mlooking for:

1. Some rain and fog is fine, but no long hot summers and preferably not-too-cold winters.
2. Not as expensive of a city as my current one, Vancouver, BC. A place where a 20-30 something can graduate college and join the middle class with a good job in the green field (my major is environment & sustainability).
3. Access to world-class museums that aren't very expensive (for example, the Vancouver Art Museum here charges $20 per person and the art is not great). I am also a painter (surreal) and enjoy an arts scene.
4. Fairly liberal, well-educated population that does not tend towards crime.
5. Fairly clean.
6. Good transportation; walking-friendly.
7. Access to pretty, green hiking trails and mountains.
8. Mostly English-speaking, white population, but still fairly diverse.
9. Environmentally conscious, and vegetarian-friendly would be nice.

Places I've ruled out:
-Seattle, because it's ugly and the Pike Place Market is lame
-Los Angeles, because people are too superficial, too much crime and homeless people, and it's a desert (I like greenery), plus too many clubber types
-San Francisco, too expensive, high-crime areas (Oakland, Richmond) nearby, too many homeless and the streets smell of ****
-New York, too expensive and summers are disgustingly hot
-southern US states; too many rednecks and too hot

I would consider places in Europe and Australia.

Thanks so much =)
Vancouver is still a great, impressive, desirable city but it is very expensive and not enough good salary opportunities to compensate for that. The middle class is struggling quite a bit in Vancouver. Seattle and Portland don’t have that economy and income class problem.

The truth is Seattle is actually one of the best scenery cities in the world and it meets all the standards that you are looking for.

That is quite a surprise that is your current opinion about Seattle and thinking that it is an ugly city that does not meet your standards.

Seattle is so much more than just Pike Place Market so that proves you do not know that city yet, including not knowing yet that Seattle is one of the best places in the World for what you are looking for.

It is not too late for my post here to completely change your opinions about Seattle and for you to move there.

I enjoyed living in Seattle for 2 years. I barely went to Pike Place Market because there is plenty of other places in that city I enjoyed more in other areas of Downtown, and in Capital Hill, University District, West Seattle, Ballard, Fremont, Wallingford, Queen Anne, International District, First Hill, and Belltown neighborhoods. Seattle had a good amount of options of places to be in for me, and I am someone that likes having plenty of options for where I go day to day.

Portland also meets your standards equally well as Seattle.

There is other cities in the world that can qualify for most of what you are looking for too such as Zurich and Geneva in Switzerland.

That is also probably true for Lyon in France, Vienna in Austria, Milan in Italy, Montreal in Canada, Melbourne in Australia, Copenhagen in Denmark, and Amsterdam in Netherlands for some other possibilities.
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Old 07-06-2012, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Bay Area
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Originally Posted by berrycurious View Post
I'd greatly appreciate if you could apply your knowledge and suggest a place.
Here's what I'm looking for:

1. Some rain and fog is fine, but no long hot summers and preferably not-too-cold winters.
2. Not as expensive of a city as my current one, Vancouver, BC. A place where a 20-30 something can graduate college and join the middle class with a good job in the green field (my major is environment & sustainability).
3. Access to world-class museums that aren't very expensive (for example, the Vancouver Art Museum here charges $20 per person and the art is not great). I am also a painter (surreal) and enjoy an arts scene.
4. Fairly liberal, well-educated population that does not tend towards crime.
5. Fairly clean.
6. Good transportation; walking-friendly.
7. Access to pretty, green hiking trails and mountains.
8. Mostly English-speaking, white population, but still fairly diverse.
9. Environmentally conscious, and vegetarian-friendly would be nice.

Places I've ruled out:
-Seattle, because it's ugly and the Pike Place Market is lame
-Los Angeles, because people are too superficial, too much crime and homeless people, and it's a desert (I like greenery), plus too many clubber types
-San Francisco, too expensive, high-crime areas (Oakland, Richmond) nearby, too many homeless and the streets smell of ****
-New York, too expensive and summers are disgustingly hot
-southern US states; too many rednecks and too hot

I would consider places in Europe and Australia.

Thanks so much =)
Since you're an American citizen, it sounds like you'll need to live within our borders? Just my initial thought.

I don't know why you'd rule out the Bay Area (the San Francisco region). Berkeley and several neighborhoods in Oakland sound like it fits every one of your wants. San Francisco specifically is too pricy but there are so many cities nearby that fit your criteria. You can't judge an entire region by one specific area in one specific city to dismiss it as a bad fit (Oakland). The bad parts are pretty limited to well, the bad parts! There are some great artsy, cool, hip, safe, walkable areas here!
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Old 07-08-2012, 02:29 PM
 
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Thanks so much! I have some great ideas to work with Appreciated
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Old 07-09-2012, 02:19 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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Pittsburgh? What a wonderland.
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Old 07-09-2012, 03:07 PM
 
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That sounds sarcastic
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Old 07-17-2012, 05:59 PM
 
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Thanks so much! I have some great ideas to work with Appreciated
I am glad that you enjoy and appreciate those responses for all of the possibilities for a place you could live in that meets almost all of your standards.

However, this other thread topic you wrote in the World forum seems to have the same questions and information, but just with different wording in the title: https://www.city-data.com/forum/world...r-another.html

The answers for both of those 2 thread topics is the same cities:
Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, Montreal, Zurich, Geneva, Lyon, Copenhagen, Amsterdam, Milan, Vienna, and Melbourne.
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Old 07-18-2012, 01:04 AM
 
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Yeah, I posted a few similar threads because people stopped responding. I know that's bad City Data etiquette, excusez-moi.
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Old 07-19-2012, 04:24 AM
 
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Originally Posted by berrycurious View Post
I'd greatly appreciate if you could apply your knowledge and suggest a place.
Here's what I'm looking for:

1. Some rain and fog is fine, but no long hot summers and preferably not-too-cold winters.
2. Not as expensive of a city as my current one, Vancouver, BC. A place where a 20-30 something can graduate college and join the middle class with a good job in the green field (my major is environment & sustainability).
3. Access to world-class museums that aren't very expensive (for example, the Vancouver Art Museum here charges $20 per person and the art is not great). I am also a painter (surreal) and enjoy an arts scene.
4. Fairly liberal, well-educated population that does not tend towards crime.
5. Fairly clean.
6. Good transportation; walking-friendly.
7. Access to pretty, green hiking trails and mountains.
8. Mostly English-speaking, white population, but still fairly diverse.
9. Environmentally conscious, and vegetarian-friendly would be nice.

Places I've ruled out:
-Seattle, because it's ugly and the Pike Place Market is lame
-Los Angeles, because people are too superficial, too much crime and homeless people, and it's a desert (I like greenery), plus too many clubber types
-San Francisco, too expensive, high-crime areas (Oakland, Richmond) nearby, too many homeless and the streets smell of ****
-New York, too expensive and summers are disgustingly hot
-southern US states; too many rednecks and too hot

I would consider places in Europe and Australia.

Thanks so much =)
If you consider Australia forget Sydney. It is very expensive and not sure about Vancouver but I met Americans and Europeans as well as Japanese that complain that Sydney is expensive even for them even compared to where they are from . In addition Sydney is now more expensive than New York: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...-1226270964272 Melbourne is a bit cheaper as well as Brisbane. I found Brisbane a bit cheaper than Melbourne yet Brisbane suffers from long hot summers. Melbourne does have hot summers yet it is not as long as Brisbane of course. I not been to Perth but I heard it is expensive even for Australian standards.

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Old 07-19-2012, 04:29 AM
 
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Originally Posted by berrycurious View Post
I'd greatly appreciate if you could apply your knowledge and suggest a place.
Here's what I'm looking for:
1. Some rain and fog is fine, but no long hot summers and preferably not-too-cold winters.
2. Not as expensive of a city as my current one, Vancouver, BC. A place where a 20-30 something can graduate college and join the middle class with a good job in the green field (my major is environment & sustainability).
3. Access to world-class museums that aren't very expensive (for example, the Vancouver Art Museum here charges $20 per person and the art is not great). I am also a painter (surreal) and enjoy an arts scene.
4. Fairly liberal, well-educated population that does not tend towards crime.
5. Fairly clean.
6. Good transportation; walking-friendly.
7. Access to pretty, green hiking trails and mountains.
8. Mostly English-speaking, white population, but still fairly diverse.
9. Environmentally conscious, and vegetarian-friendly would be nice.
Places I've ruled out:
-Seattle, because it's ugly and the Pike Place Market is lame
-Los Angeles, because people are too superficial, too much crime and homeless people, and it's a desert (I like greenery), plus too many clubber types
-San Francisco, too expensive, high-crime areas (Oakland, Richmond) nearby, too many homeless and the streets smell of ****
-New York, too expensive and summers are disgustingly hot
-southern US states; too many rednecks and too hot
I would consider places in Europe and Australia.
Thanks so much =)
Try Southern Maine. I have a friend who is also an artist and lives in Portland. He has been there for over 30 years and would not live anywhere else. I too use to live in Maine but at least 4 hours further north..cold winters..lots of bugs up that far north. Would never go back permanently. If you go online and check out the Chamber of Commerce website for Portland Maine, you will see that it has tons of stuff to do and plenty of smaller town living all around it. Good Luck!!
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