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View Poll Results: Who in your experience are more shallow in terms of how they view others?
Americans 52 73.24%
Western Europeans 19 26.76%
Voters: 71. You may not vote on this poll

 
 
Old 08-20-2012, 08:37 AM
 
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[quote=tvdxer;25714581]I wouldn't dispute that, but Americans also have a spiritual side that is perhaps more developed in many ways than that of most (Western) Europeans. About 90%+ of Americans believe in God, for example, and a lot more of them than most Euro nationalities attend church services.[/quote]

Quite true, but I've lived most of my life in the U.S., and I have seen very little of American church-going that would incline me to equate it with a deep motivation toward kindness and compassion. In fact, as the AIDS epidemic in the 80's showed churches and church-goers can be a major source of hate-mongering and bigotry....even against children.

So, as far as this "churchiness" of Americans goes, I'd take it as a negative rather than a positive.

 
Old 08-20-2012, 05:30 PM
 
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[quote=kevxu;25719306][quote=tvdxer;25714581]I wouldn't dispute that, but Americans also have a spiritual side that is perhaps more developed in many ways than that of most (Western) Europeans. About 90%+ of Americans believe in God, for example, and a lot more of them than most Euro nationalities attend church services. [/quote]

Quite true, but I've lived most of my life in the U.S., and I have seen very little of American church-going that would incline me to equate it with a deep motivation toward kindness and compassion. In fact, as the AIDS epidemic in the 80's showed churches and church-goers can be a major source of hate-mongering and bigotry....even against children.

So, as far as this "churchiness" of Americans goes, I'd take it as a negative rather than a positive. /quote]

I personally like to take the high road on these forums so that there is no misunderstanding of painting an entire country (any country, anywhere in the world) with the same brush stroke so...if an American believes in God then it must follow that they have "churchiness"?

I ask because I know many fine people who believe in a God, however do no not participate in any formal or organized religion per se. Rather they are truly spiritual and work hard everyday to put into practice the ethics and principles (gratitude, honor, respect) of their spirituality.

Would/should that be a negative or a positive...?

FYI

It would appear that Estonia, Russia, Germany, Sweden, Israel (Judaism), Spain, and the Netherlands are about equal (give or take a percenatge here or there) in their attendance as the U.S. Do you think their "churchiness" has any bearing on your perception of them?

Any what about the Nigerians with the highest rate of "churchiness"?

The country with the highest rate of church attendance in the world is Nigeria (89%).[6] Nigeria is unusual, as it is very religiously diverse - the population is 50.5% Muslim, 48.2% Christian.

Gallup International indicates that 41%[1] of American citizens report they regularly attend religious services...



A study by the European Social Survey conducted in 2008 found these rates of respondents never attending religious service (excluding special occasions)[17]:
  • <10%: Cyprus, Greece, Poland
  • 10-20%: Croatia, Italy, Ukraine
  • 20-30%: Turkey (Islam), Portugal
  • 30-40%: Estonia, Russia, Germany, Sweden
  • 40-50%: Israel (Judaism), Spain, Netherlands
  • 50-60%: Belgium, Britain, France
  • >60%: Czech Republic
Church attendance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Old 08-20-2012, 05:51 PM
 
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Europeans are shallow. They are fashion-obsessed and always want to look good. I know for a fact, that people I know, especially females, are totally obsessed with their appearance, but even the men these days spend hours looking good.

I mean, Europeans have a reputation for being fashionable, so they must be shallow to some extent, right?
Like people in NYC and LA don't care about appearance? Europe has a lot of people, and you can't just say they are shallow.

Wanting to look good itself doesn't make one shallow (what's the wrong with that?), as long as this person is also engaged in more meaningful things other than looking good.
 
Old 08-20-2012, 05:53 PM
 
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There is a shallowness about outward appearance, thinness, and fashionable attire in Western Europe. However, in most cases, there is also a very street-smart, analytical, worldly and multi-faceted person underneath.

Then, there are a lot of "salt of the earth" people in Western Europe, who you don't see if you don't visit the small towns.

Americans are annoyingly more shallow, and they think the world revolves around them. I am American and I find it annoying.

Also, there's the often heard joke:
Q: What do you call someone who speaks two languages?
A: Bilingual.
Q: What do you call someone who speaks one language?
A: American.

Touche'.
 
Old 08-20-2012, 05:54 PM
 
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^^ speaking one language nowadays is basically a handicap and equivalent to illiteracy.
 
Old 08-20-2012, 06:13 PM
 
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Read the 'Relationships' and 'Fashion' forums on here and you'll see how shallow some of these people really are; it's quite depressing.

Read the politics forum and you'll see how really crazy a lot of Americans are.
 
Old 08-20-2012, 06:23 PM
 
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There is a shallowness about outward appearance, thinness, and fashionable attire in Western Europe. However, in most cases, there is also a very street-smart, analytical, worldly and multi-faceted person underneath.

Then, there are a lot of "salt of the earth" people in Western Europe, who you don't see if you don't visit the small towns.

Americans are annoyingly more shallow, and they think the world revolves around them. I am American and I find it annoying.

Also, there's the often heard joke:
Q: What do you call someone who speaks two languages?
A: Bilingual.
Q: What do you call someone who speaks one language?
A: American.

Touche'.
I'm American as well and agree with this.
 
Old 08-20-2012, 06:35 PM
 
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^^ speaking one language nowadays is basically a handicap and equivalent to illiteracy.
So many Chinese, Indians, Latin Americans, British, Russians, Australians are basically illiterate to you?

Some of the smartest, most learned people in history could only speak one language. No need to put them down.
 
Old 08-21-2012, 10:49 AM
 
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I wouldn't dispute that, but Americans also have a spiritual side that is perhaps more developed in many ways than that of most (Western) Europeans. About 90%+ of Americans believe in God, for example, and a lot more of them than most Euro nationalities attend church services.
What's wrong with European? Are people too lazy to type it these days? Euro is a currency.
 
Old 08-21-2012, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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The word "shallow" carries a heavy negative connotation. I mean in this case Americans are:


lacking intellectual or mental depth or subtlety; superficial or are


Lacking depth of emotion, or knowledge

C'mon guys do we really want to go down this kind of road basically trashing all American people?

I agree that in American culture materialism carries too much weight, and we are over saturated with marketing and commercialism. Also, we work too much and don't take time off from work seriously enough. I want things to change in this regard and vote my politics accordingly. Those like minded should do the same.

But at the same time there are millions upon millions of Americans, my family included, that love spending time at the beach, barbecuing, partying and enjoying nothing more than spending quality time with family and friends. There are tons of us that don't have to buy every single new gadget on the market. Funny how when I read travel blogs of Europeans visiting the USA, they always include shopping binges buying every latest Ipad, Ipod, gadgetry, clothes, etc.

It is amazing to me the things people can say about Americans without any fear of being called bigoted. Imagine claiming that all Africans are lazy? How bout if I start a thread asking if Germans, based on their recent history, are the most vile, evil, violent prone people on earth (Nazi regime)? Or a thread about what drunken louts the British are based on what I read about chavs and soccer hooligans. The list could go on and on. Are the French really cowards when you look at how they caved to Germany without a fight in WWII?

People are people all over the world. I think threads like this are stupid and contribute nothing to the conversation except to inflame and incite passion.
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