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Old 08-07-2012, 06:14 PM
 
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When every you think of a secular Muslim country, Turkey is the first to come to mind. How about Kazakhstan? Is Kazakhstan more secular than Turkey?
Whenever I think of a secular Muslim country I think of India, not Turkey.
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Old 08-07-2012, 07:48 PM
 
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Whenever I think of a secular Muslim country I think of India, not Turkey.
Except for India is not a Muslim country, really...
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Old 08-07-2012, 08:08 PM
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember reading that there are still decent amounts of Russians and Ukrainians living in Kazakhstan. I would imagine they have at least some cultural influence on things.

Also consider that vodka is very popular in Kazakhstan, which wouldn't fly in a truly Muslim country. It has been said that while Russia couldn't get Kazakhstan to convert to their religion, they did manage to get them hooked on their alcohol.
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Old 08-07-2012, 08:32 PM
 
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Turkey is secular officially, but Islam is rooted deep in its culture and way of life. They are not to the level of Iran of course, but not secular like Sweden. You could say slightly more religiously influenced than the US was years ago, but of course on a different dimension. All of my times there, I had no issues, it really never felt no more religiously influenced than the US, especially in the cities and tourist areas, cannot say the same for the rural areas.

I lived in Kazakhstan for a while. It is pretty darn secular, of course people go to their churches and mosques, but it is more of a specific affair and a not in your face type of thing, difficult to describe, I actually felt more religious pressure living in TN than in Kazakhstan.

The radical Islam thing is a recent fashion trend, I do not even think these people care about the religion as so much to feel part of some grand, world club. The trend with these people are they are anti-west, so I guess with their need of belonging to something, they chose the most available thing in their area.
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Old 08-07-2012, 11:10 PM
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember reading that there are still decent amounts of Russians and Ukrainians living in Kazakhstan. I would imagine they have at least some cultural influence on things.
Kazakhstan is under Russian cultural influence since it joined Russia centuries ago. So, it's much like a muslim-flavoured Russia, where religion doesn't really exists.
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Old 08-08-2012, 01:00 AM
 
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Kazakhstan is under Russian cultural influence since it joined Russia centuries ago. So, it's much like a muslim-flavoured Russia, where religion doesn't really exists.
How does it compare to the majority muslim republics that are members of the Russian Federation, like Dagestan and Tatarstan? (forget Chechnya for this)
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Old 08-08-2012, 04:44 AM
 
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In Russia there is no Muslim republics as such fully, religion mixed, and there are Muslims and Orthodox Christianity and so forth, but if by the word dominance of Islam then Yes. What you wanted to say about Chechnya, I do not understand? She in most Muslim, but also has a Orthodoxy, it and there is a difference in Russia, which is the case of any religion and protests or persecution you will not find similar with other countries.These regions are an integral part of Russia, naturally and so the impact is the same with Russian culture.Chechens-Sunni Muslims.Similarly, the population of the manifold, mixed Russians live side to side with other peoples and religions, the influence of Russian culture and cultures of other peoples, of course applies to the Russians and other Nations-this is characteristic of Russia

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Old 08-08-2012, 08:53 AM
 
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Except for India is not a Muslim country, really...
India has the 3rd largest muslim population in the world. Even more than Bangladesh.
India has roughly just as many Muslims as in Pakistan, which has the 2nd largest muslim population.
Each country is home to 11% of the world's muslim population.

The separation of Pakistan and India was an artificial one and even today the cultures in northern India are very "Islam-flavoured".
Over the decades they've been trying to make Hindi more and more Sanskrit, yet the forms of Hindi that are most "close to heart" are replete with Arabic and Persian elements and in a way closer to Urdu.

This may be difficult to grasp for westerners. Maybe an Indian could help explaining this.
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Old 08-08-2012, 11:44 AM
 
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That's really fun... and your ignorant explanation doesn't really make it less so
Yeah, Belarus and Ukraine are free, democratic paradises.
Thats not ignorant; only the truth. As I already mentioned before i was not referring to Muslim countries, but to more "unfree" countries.
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Old 08-08-2012, 02:01 PM
 
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India has the 3rd largest muslim population in the world. Even more than Bangladesh.
India has roughly just as many Muslims as in Pakistan, which has the 2nd largest muslim population.
Each country is home to 11% of the world's muslim population.

So?

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Islam is the second-most practiced religion in the Republic of India after Hinduism, with more than 13.4% of the country's population (over 138 million as per 2001 census).[2][3]
It's not a predominantly Muslim country, so of course it's "secular" when it's coming to Islam.

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The separation of Pakistan and India was an artificial one and even today the cultures in northern India are very "Islam-flavoured".
Over the decades they've been trying to make Hindi more and more Sanskrit, yet the forms of Hindi that are most "close to heart" are replete with Arabic and Persian elements and in a way closer to Urdu.

This may be difficult to grasp for westerners. Maybe an Indian could help explaining this.
Separation between India and Pakistan is not "artificial" - it's rather a result of Islamic encroachment on older culture, that didn't have anything to do with Islam.
And I can grasp it just fine, since I am not exactly a "Westerner"
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