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Old 08-09-2012, 12:34 PM
 
Location: City of Angels
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You don't understand, huh? I forgot too add that they secretly execute people, the "trials" last a whooping day, verdict handed down the same day. They execute people like crazy. China has absolutely no regard for human rights or human dignity. China's human rights abuses are well known and I don't have to list them here. If I did, I'd busy listing them until tomorrow. It's not a matter if if, but only a matter of time until it collapses.
for as bad as you think it is you'd expect them to have the biggest prison population in the world, esp considering it's the largest country. it doesn't.

as far as executions go, most of the countries in the region are execution-happy, just the culture there. china just gets more attention because it's bigger.
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Old 08-09-2012, 12:36 PM
 
Location: City of Angels
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china has some of the best labor laws in the developing world.
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Old 08-09-2012, 12:37 PM
 
Location: City of Angels
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Old 08-09-2012, 12:41 PM
 
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for as bad as you think it is you'd expect them to have the biggest prison population in the world, esp considering it's the largest country. it doesn't.

as far as executions go, most of the countries in the region are execution-happy, just the culture there. china just gets more attention because it's bigger.
The region is execution happy ?

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Small graphic, but one can clearly see who is leading.

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china has some of the best labor laws in the developing world.
Sure they do. So did the 3rd Reich.

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Old 08-09-2012, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Bothell, Washington
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China has not accomplished a lot. The mere fact that they have 1,3 billion people is the reason that their overall GDP is high, the mere reason that they are where they are now. They are far, far away from a per capita GDP that would rival ours.
The U.S. is the most accepting country on this planet. While there have been problems, there is not other country with so much racial diversity. No other country with so many cultures and races living together peacefully, and successfully. So, yes, the U.S. is, indeed, a shining counter example.
Your comment about GDP hit the nail on the head. Because they have as many people as they do, you would expect them to eventually reach or exceed the GDP of the US even without any impressive boom or growth. When you go there you see the difference- they are nowhere near the US or other developed countries in how people live- even in the "rich" coastal cities. After all, their GDP would have to be 4 times that of the US to really get them to what you would expect to be a similar standard of living to what we have here.

My wife is originally from China and we go back to visit her family every year or two. The striking thing is that even those with money in those more developed east coast cities have a strikingly lower standard of living (specifically what their homes are like), even the newer places built within the last couple of years. It feels like a harsh place- large areas of these flashy rich cities still look horrific, dirty, and just as you would have thought they looked 20 or 30 years ago. And when you take a car or bus out of those cities through more rural areas, it's even worse- those smaller towns/villages show very little sign of any great development at all, looking almost completely run down and poor.

So basically they will overtake the US as the world's biggest economy in a few years, and that will make them one of the top players in terms of economics, military, etc. But as far as living standards and all the societal advancements that go along with them, I just don't see China coming anywhere close to the US- or as a closer comparison- Japan- for a very long time.
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Old 08-09-2012, 12:49 PM
 
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1000 in a year? im pretty sure china executes more than that. but like i said, the entire region is execution-happy. your graph is just biased against china for whatever reason.

in thailand (the country in my location bar) there have been at least 10,000 extrajudicial killings by the police in the last decade alone. seriously, look it up. enough to match china in your graph. go to almost any airport in SE asia and look at the warnings all over the place, "death penalty for drug traffickers" and stuff like that. just the way it is. deal w/ it.

anyway leaving for real now
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Old 08-09-2012, 01:30 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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I think China has interesting history. I would like to visit some day.

But I doubt I would want to live in China. There are much better countries for living in.
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Old 08-09-2012, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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The Chinese are the nicest people Ive ever encountered in my travels. They are patient and helpful and generous, and they treat each other with dignity and respect. Their ancient cultural values have been altered somewhat by the Mao revolution, and it remains to be seen whether their future will be more influenced by recent political times, or whether their Asian culture will re-emerge.

As for their place in the global picture, it wouldn't really make that much difference to me, whether my government is run by Chinese imperialists, or the goofy crowd we have in Washington now. I can't see where it would be any worse if Chinese functionaries were making the laws and the rules and setting the standards amd goals of our future course. It certainly hasn't done Hong Kong any harm to be taken over by China.

The downside is that the Americans would never let that happen with a senseless slaughter of millions.
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Old 08-09-2012, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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Hong Kong is largely independent from China - it has a 'special relationship' with the mainland, just like Taiwan, and is considered a democracy. If Hong Kong was a fully intergrated city like Shanghai, then it wouldn't be anywhere near as desirable as it is now. The Chinese are nice people from my experience (I meet plenty in my city), but I would dread the though of a Chinese superpower, and I would probably kill myself if my country was run by Chinese imperialists.

Not a country I would consider living in, there's too many things here that I enjoy that I would miss (the freedom to do what I want without having to adhere to Chinese authorities being one).
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Old 08-09-2012, 04:32 PM
 
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The Chinese are the nicest people Ive ever encountered in my travels. They are patient and helpful and generous, and they treat each other with dignity and respect. Their ancient cultural values have been altered somewhat by the Mao revolution, and it remains to be seen whether their future will be more influenced by recent political times, or whether their Asian culture will re-emerge.
I spent nearly 4 months in China teaching university students English. My students were always respectfully in the classroom. Outside the classroom most of them were helpful and very friendly. The Chinese people that I interacted with outside the university in general were the same (helpful, friendly & respectful). There are still many poor people in China and although the local government is much more liberal than in the past, it is still a communist/centralist government run by one party.
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