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About half of them didnt raise family in Brazil and returned to Italy still in that period. Some more came until 1960, when the emmigration to Brazil totally declined.
Today 20 to 30 million brazilians have at least some italian ancestor.
I always figured most Italian immigrants are from Southern Italy, but that's not necessarily the case even here.
So the more indigenous people are the majority in the favelas? And the "whiter" population is wealthier? I'm assuming it's the same in BA too, which would put the Italians near the top of wealth.
From movies and documentaries most people in the favela seem black or part black.
I've heard it is very socially striated based on ethnicity. Worse than the States. I heard someone say that white and black Americans tend to work together but not so much socialise, while Brazilians socialise more but don't work together as much. Generalisation I know, but I wonder how true it is.
Much of Brazil's white population (look white is correct) is mixed-race nearly 60% have indigenous or African ancestry in the line (especially in states with smaller European immigration), and sincerely even if there is racism, never had a racist law like a United States. I would say that Brazil is misunderstood as a nation and not as a ethnicity. Now if you look white, you will earn points obviously.
But there is a very large gap between the population of middle and upper class mainly of Southern and Southeast (predominantly white) for mulatto and black people (lower class), at all especially in education ... where I studied in a private school was normal no have black childrens and maybe few mulattos, this in almost all private schools in São Paulo for down .... and this translates in the future at different levels of professional qualification.
I heard Brazil is about half predominantly European. So a lot of them have some African ancestry? I think the further south the more European you get. The northeast is more African, and the Amazon more indigenous.
Yes, it might not be a direct result of discriminative laws, but the social segregation inevitably leads to it. Like in Rio I'm guessing Afro Brazilians are on average much poorer than whites or white looking mulattos.
Also, there's a certain vibe that all of Southern Europe shares. Portugal, Spain, Mediterranean France, and Italy. They're all very similar in many ways. One of my best friends has visited Madrid a few times and studied abroad in BA. She said that in almost every way BA feels like a bigger version of Madrid. With the similarities of Southern Europe, and if BA really is that similar to Madrid, I'd say it's another way BA wins this poll. SP is much more international than BA. It might have a larger actual number of Italian descendants, but many other cultures are heavily present there. BA is mainly just Spanish and Italian and it seems like BA doesn't have the heavy indigenous and black population mix. Not praising this mind you, just seems like a personal observation of BA, meaning that the Italian culture would be more strongly preserved in BA over SP.
No denying that BA and SP are the top two, with BA being first and SP second to most people. But after that, nothing really even comes close. NYC and the whole Northeast of the US is considered to be very Italian by US standards, but even there the culture is very watered down. The food, calling your grandma "Nonna" and talking with your hands is still prevalent there, but the small aspects of every day Italian culture seem to not be strong there, and I know for a fact that I speak better Italian than most Italian descendants in the US.
Slightly off topic, but since we're discussing the influences of cultures on those regions, I have always wondered this. Outside of Europe, BA is without a doubt the most "Spanish" city. But after BA, what cities are most "Spanish" meaning in their accents, culture, lifestyle, and I guess even heritage (most direct descendants without mixing)? Santiago? Bogota?
I've heard it is very socially striated based on ethnicity. Worse than the States. I heard someone say that white and black Americans tend to work together but not so much socialise, while Brazilians socialise more but don't work together as much. Generalisation I know, but I wonder how true it is.
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Owners of 204 largest industries in São Paulo (1962)
PD: Many Brazilians are mixed and look mulatto, but in the middle and high class would not be the majority, most look white of Portuguese and Italian origin.
Majority people in Brazil nowadays are considered part of what we call C class (that is a very low mid-class or a poor in a developed country). More than half brazilians belongs to this class.
A minority belongs to D and E class (poor in brazilian reality) and a bigger minority to A and B (Elite and the real mid-class).
Let's remember that in São Paulo the economy become from being mostly industrial to a predominantly concentrated in the service sector nowadays.
So if you take in account that more than half brazilians belong to the same class, that assumption that they don't work together is false. For most brazilians, people of different colors in family , work and friends is the reality.
These foreing assumptions that black are poor and white are rich so seems kind of fake and tendentious, because ignores the majority of the society.
But it's true that A and B classes are predominantly white and D and E classes are predominantly nonwhites, but even so there are millions whites in these classes too.
I believe Sao Paulo in numbers (but majority mixed with others southern europeans), Montevideo Uruguay for proportions.
Montevideo has been mentioned few times here too. Uruguay is as Italian as Argentina(or maybe a bit less). The cultures of Southern Brazil(except the language) and especially Argentina and Uruguay are very similar and very influenced by the Italian culture.
I went to Florianópolis(a great city with beaches in Southern Brazil) once in Summer and that city receives lots of Argentineans, Uruguayans and Brazilians from every part of the country. I remember that just looking at people I couldn't differentiate Southern Brazilians, Argentineans and Uruguayans. I could differentiate Southern Brazilians from those others only when I heard them talk(since they speak portuguese), but Uruguayans and Argentineans I couldn't differentiate, not even when they talked. All of those three groups usually look like and act the same way(always drinking chimarrão/mate hehehe)
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^ wow almost no Afro-Brazilians??
I've heard it is very socially striated based on ethnicity. Worse than the States. I heard someone say that white and black Americans tend to work together but not so much socialise, while Brazilians socialise more but don't work together as much. Generalisation I know, but I wonder how true it is.
To be honest I don't think that's really true. It's true you find much less rich blacks than rich whites. But two co-workers for example don't even care about the color of each other. If you are a rich black or a rich white, you'll get the respected the same way.
I find it a stereotype about Brazil actually. People think Brazilian whites are super rich and blacks are super poor. For example, I've seen lots of people saying "Gisele Bundchen is so white... she's famous just because she was rich" but she was actually poor when she was young. Especially in the south there are lots of poor whites(even blonde german whites).
Montevideo has been mentioned few times here too. Uruguay is as Italian as Argentina(or maybe a bit less). The cultures of Southern Brazil(except the language) and especially Argentina and Uruguay are very similar and very influenced by the Italian culture.
I went to Florianópolis(a great city with beaches in Southern Brazil) once in Summer and that city receives lots of Argentineans, Uruguayans and Brazilians from every part of the country. I remember that just looking at people I couldn't differentiate Southern Brazilians, Argentineans and Uruguayans. I could differentiate Southern Brazilians from those others only when I heard them talk(since they speak portuguese), but Uruguayans and Argentineans I couldn't differentiate, not even when they talked. All of those three groups usually look like and act the same way(always drinking chimarrão/mate hehehe)
To be honest I don't think that's really true. It's true you find much less rich blacks than rich whites. But two co-workers for example don't even care about the color of each other. If you are a rich black or a rich white, you'll get the respected the same way.
I find it a stereotype about Brazil actually. People think Brazilian whites are super rich and blacks are super poor. For example, I've seen lots of people saying "Gisele Bundchen is so white... she's famous just because she was rich" but she was actually poor when she was young. Especially in the south there are lots of poor whites(even blonde german whites).
Yes, but the social structure is still that blacks are very rare in the upper classes, right?
Black and Mullato (Mixed) are 10 - 15% of high class (10% more rich).
If you take out football players and novela actors/actresses, less than 5 percent of wealthy Brazilians would be Black and Pardo. High paying jobs in Brazil like bankers, techies, engineers, doctors, lawyers, oil tycoons, hedge fund managers, etc tend to be overwhelmingly White. And if you limit it to just billionaires and exclude millionaires, than zero Brazilian billionaires are Black or Pardo. There are no Brazilian billionaires who look like Anderson Silva.
Eike Batista who used to be the richest man in Brazil, has blue eyes/olhos azul.
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in numbers (but majority mixed with others southern europeans), Montevideo Uruguay for proportions. 
