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Qatar 2 0.67%
United Arab Emirates 9 3.03%
Australia 10 3.37%
Canada 38 12.79%
United States of America 165 55.56%
Singapore 14 4.71%
United Kingdom 15 5.05%
Brazil 13 4.38%
Other 31 10.44%
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Old 09-30-2012, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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..the UK is not even in the running outside London, IMO. It's still like 90% British. Singapore and the UAE are too but they are mostly Asian.
That is unbelievably false.

You have cities such as Leicester, which is only 63.9% 'White', 29.4% South Asian, 4.6% Black, and 23.0% foreign born.

Birmingham, the second largest city (apparently), is 63.3% White British, 19.7% Asian, and 6.6% Black, and 20% foreign born.

Luton is 68.0% 'White', 19% Asian, and 7% Black.

There are countless examples.

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Old 09-30-2012, 02:43 PM
 
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God this thread only shows how clueless many North Americans and westerners are about world facts.

India is culturally, linguistically, religiously and ethnically, the most diverse country in the world.

Papua New Guinea also has a plethora of languages, religions and ethnic backgrounds.

Indonesia is also not on this list and is incredibly diverse.

Also how is no African country on this list? African countries are so diverse in ethnicity and language that one person can grow up knowing 3 different native languages and over a dozen dialects in a country such as Cameroon or Nigeria.

Honestly people need to understand more about the world. Having a city with a China town and a considerable background of immigrants doesn't exactly qualify your country as "multicultural."
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Old 09-30-2012, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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What about countries that people care about?

Or countries that people on here would actually consider living in? (I wouldn't even consider stepping foot in certain countries in fear of developing cholera).

Or how about countries that were recently very homogenous but experienced a sudden social change? Like the United Kingdom.

What makes countries like the UK and the US so significant in terms of ethnic and cultural diversity is that these countries were predominately white, and European. Until the 60s it was as rare as hens teeth to even see a person of colour in the United Kingdom. Now you hear multiple languages being spoken on the streets by numerous ethnic groups from all over the world. And no, this isn't restricted to London. You have entire suburbs that are by large predominately Asian or Black or Eastern European.

It isn't just ethnicity either but also religion.

Yes, we know how diverse India is, but it's been that way for a long time, it hasn't experienced any sudden changes in its social structure in the same way we have.
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Old 09-30-2012, 02:49 PM
 
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Predictably, "multicultural" has quickly morphed into "ethnically diverse", maybe because ethnic boundaries are more easily defined than cultural boundaries (maybe not).

I'm also wondering when late 19th century immigration to the US will cease to be allowed as evidence of America's multicultural superiority, or at the very least when it will cease to be considered on par with very recent immigration all around the world. US immigration history is fascinating and historically important, but to residents of every other country in the world, there is a well-defined "American culture", and as of today, that culture has very little to do with "German", "Italian" or "Polish" regardless of what US Census ancestry statistics indicate (an exception might be Irish I guess? especially in Boston).

My point isn't to dismiss history (far from it), but Minnesota or Chicago are no longer a bunch of Scandinavians, Poles and Ukrainians hanging out, making the Midwest look multicultural. Some traditions remain but the impact on current American cultural life is mostly anecdotal. Save from some pockets in larger cities, the Midwest is American (that's not derogatory at all by the way).

There are some truly multicultural cities -- NYC, London, Toronto, Sydney.... but multicultural countries? 2 or more founding peoples that don't really mesh with each other (Canada, Belgium) is hardly multicultural.
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Old 09-30-2012, 03:00 PM
 
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What about countries that people care about?

Or countries that people on here would actually consider living in? (I wouldn't even consider stepping foot in certain countries in fear of developing cholera).

Or how about countries that were recently very homogenous but experienced a sudden social change? Like the United Kingdom.

What makes countries like the UK and the US so significant in terms of ethnic and cultural diversity is that these countries were predominately white, and European. Until the 60s it was as rare as hens teeth to even see a person of colour in the United Kingdom. Now you hear multiple languages being spoken on the streets by numerous ethnic groups from all over the world. And no, this isn't restricted to London. You have entire suburbs that are by large predominately Asian or Black or Eastern European.

It isn't just ethnicity either but also religion.

Yes, we know how diverse India is, but it's been that way for a long time, it hasn't experienced any sudden changes in its social structure in the same way we have.
So we are only allowed to talk about countries YOU feel as relevant? India is a growing world power and nuclear capable, Indonesia is one of the most populated countries in the world with a fast rising economy, many countries in Africa are now controlling some of the world's largest oil supplies that we use and rely on. I think if some of you who haven't realized the importance of other countries on the global scene, you'd better start doing so.

Also India, Indonesia and Africa have religious diversity that most of us couldn't even imagine and they faced social changes that would also surprise us. Most of these underwent after the age of colonialism finally crumbled.

Westerners need to get off their high horse and realize their land isn't the only one in the world and not the only one that underwent social demographic changes. If you look at the pure facts of ethnic, religious and linguistic diversity, everything I just listed dwarfs most western countries in comparison. Most of us are too self-absorbed in our own affairs to notice.
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Old 09-30-2012, 03:49 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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however, let's give credit where credit is due...GO CANADA
Informative post. And yes, GO, CANADA!
I do wonder if the reason the US tends to come out ahead on C-D polls has more to do with the higher number of US members here...
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Old 09-30-2012, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Whitby, North yorkshire, UK
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No mention of the Netherlands?.
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Old 09-30-2012, 04:53 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Informative post. And yes, GO, CANADA!
I do wonder if the reason the US tends to come out ahead on C-D polls has more to do with the higher number of US members here...
What percentage of Canada's population is hispanic/latino? I still think the U.S. has the highest overall percentage of people from all continents and places in those continents.
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Old 09-30-2012, 05:23 PM
 
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What percentage of Canada's population is hispanic/latino? I still think the U.S. has the highest overall percentage of people from all continents and places in those continents.
No doubt much lower than US, that's only one culture/ethnic group.

We're talking diversity, as in many cultures/ethnics groups.
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Old 09-30-2012, 05:53 PM
 
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God this thread only shows how clueless many North Americans and westerners are about world facts.

India is culturally, linguistically, religiously and ethnically, the most diverse country in the world.

Papua New Guinea also has a plethora of languages, religions and ethnic backgrounds.

Indonesia is also not on this list and is incredibly diverse.

Also how is no African country on this list? African countries are so diverse in ethnicity and language that one person can grow up knowing 3 different native languages and over a dozen dialects in a country such as Cameroon or Nigeria.

Honestly people need to understand more about the world. Having a city with a China town and a considerable background of immigrants doesn't exactly qualify your country as "multicultural."
India is less diverse religiously than many other countries. Firstly if we are to count regional variations in dialect then within a small area such as the UK you could say the Cornish have their own language and culture (only a small percentage use it but it's on the increase again) as do the Welsh so should be described as a different ethnic group than say British. In Scotland you have the Faroe Islands who also have their own dialict/language so this phenomena isn't exclusive to India.

Also if you were to sub-divide every definition of Christian in the UK or US census you would have Church Of England, Catholic, Preysbetarian, Evangelist, Greek Orthodox, Born Again Christians and Drive Thru Burger King Fast Food Varierty and so on etc.....

Also, according to the US State Department 'Religions (2001 census): Hindu 80.5%; Muslim 13.4%; Christian 2.3%; Sikh 1.9%; other groups including Buddhist, Jain, Parsi within 1.8%; unspecified 0.1%.
Languages: Hindi, English, and 16 other official languages.'

A higher percentage of the Indian population is Hindu than the percentage of the UK population that is Christian.

The percentage of Christian in the UK is lower than the percentage of the most predominant religion in India.
Source: 2001 Census
Christian42,079,000 71.6% No religion9,104,0001 5.5%Muslim 1,591,000 2.7%Hindu 559,0001.0%Sikh 336,000 0.6%Jewish 267,000 0.5%Buddhist 152,000 0.3% Other religion 179,000 0.3%Not stated 4,289,000 7.3%.

So there's a higher percentage of muslims alone in the UK than there is Christians in India. Added to that there is no significant representation of Jewish people in India and all the indigenous Indian religions combined make up a total of 4.3% of the religious representation in the UK, a higher proportion than the representation of non-indigenous religions in India 2.3%.

Cultural diversity means inclusivity and integration too and ethnically India is nowhere near as mixed as the UK.

The UK has been invaded too and many of these cultural influences have also been incorporated into what the UK is today. Someone that is represented as British today may have a lineage that incorporates all the different cultures of the UK as well as the immigrant influence of Italians, French, German, Spanish, Jewish you name it it's there.

Today in London there is every ethnic group and culture in the world in every major city. What is the global span of India's diversity? How far outside its own continet does it extend in terms of immigration from outside countries that have settled there historically or invaded such as Iran in history gone by?

Does it include Greeks, Italians, Spanish, South Americans, Central Americans, East Europeans, Scandanavian, Australians, the Blatic regions, Russia and much immigration from outside the South Asian region from other parts of their globe have settled in India apart from the colonial imperialist legacy of the UK? I'm genuinely interested. Are there many Americans there? Canadians? Puerto Ricans? Jamaicans? People from Somalia? I'm curious.

Multi-culturalism is more about integration of culture and a more inclusive scale. Regional variations in dialect as well as indigenous languages within the same population are part of the story too but to pretend this makes India special or different is as patronising as your condescending rant about Chinatown being representaive as the antithesis of multi-culturalism in the modern world.

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