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Qatar 2 0.67%
United Arab Emirates 9 3.03%
Australia 10 3.37%
Canada 38 12.79%
United States of America 165 55.56%
Singapore 14 4.71%
United Kingdom 15 5.05%
Brazil 13 4.38%
Other 31 10.44%
Voters: 297. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-01-2012, 10:54 PM
 
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The UK? lol dont make me laugh but the UK isnt even the most multicultural within europe, there is Netherlands and France who are far more multicultural (more amount of different nationalities around).

I think as a whole the most multicultural countries in the world are:

1) Canada
2) Netherlands
3) Belgium (Flanders)
4) France
5) UK
6) Sweden

1)In Canada you have full of recent immigrants, first generation, fresh of the boat, you can clearly look very different from eachother, serbians, romanians, croatians, russians, (lot of east europeans who recently moved to canada) whom no are even fully adapted to local culture, many people from other parts of europe aswell, you have indians, north africans, middle easterns, chinese, koreans, japanese, somalies, iraki, etc who just arrived recently, and the local white population (the non-newcomers europeans) who is mainly either from french or British Isles colonial stock. Thats why I nominate Canada as number 1, you have toronto, vancouver, montreal, etc cities with insane amount of foreign-born people.

2)In the Second place you have the Netherlands, A country with a relatively homogeneous native population, with a colonial past which brought many indonesians, turkish, moroccans, surinamese, antilleans, arubans, etc. Its no surprise Amsterdam is the city with more nationalities suscripted living in, which makes it the most diverse city in the world (although taking metropolitan areas toronto would surpass it) but we are talking about the city itself. You dont only have Amsterdam but Rotterdam, Den Haag, both who are about as multicultural as Capirtal Amsterdam (in amsterdam ethnic dutch people became a minority since july 2011, less than 50% of people living there have both dutch parents) and let alone the dutch census count half dutch half indo as fully ethnic dutch (I dont know the weird reason why they do that) perhaps because the indonesians have integrated so well and have a so long pass along the dutch, so the ethnic % of dutch in those cities is even lower than figures claim, for both amsterdam, rotterdam and den haag you have 45/55% foreigners living there the vast majority being non-western origin (specially different nationalities of arabs, middle easterns, subsaharian africans, and some communities of latin americans and east asians). Then you have Utrecht, the 4th largest city where 35% of citizens are of non-ethnic dutch origin, (and could be a coulple of numbers lower if they exclude population with partial indonesian admixture, like geert wilders, who according to census they are fully dutch).

3) Belgium (the flemish part at least) is like a less exaggeratted version of the Netherlands when it comes to diversity and multiculturality (except antwerp which is among the most diverse cities in the world), there you can see from nearly every arab, african, east asian, north african, sub saharian african and latin american nationality good represented, and walking around all over the place, even many other european nationalities are quite common there, like eastern europeans, dutch, germans, brits, etc. You also have Brussels, Ghent, Leuven, etc cities not very known for most non europeans, yet they are highly multicultural, much more than bigger cities in more mainstreat countries like italy, spain, and even than many of second tier british/french cities who often claim highly diversity, belgium is just unknown for some reason, but it will highly surprise the visitor by how diverse the place is.

4) There is no need to explain why france is so right up here, they dont even have a census based on ethnic groups. its a thing to walk in paris and see how many arabs and subsaharian african different nationalities live there. France also has other cities like Marseille, lyon, etc with large number of foreigners mainly different arab, black, east asian nationalities but also quite a few latin americans and other southern europeans living there who moved after their civil wars (specially spanish, portugueses and italians). Still France has large countryside who is still pretty much ethnic french, and there is not even a second city that is on par with paris in terms of diversity of non-ethnic french population, thats why france falls below countries like canada, netherlands or Belgium (flemish area specially), because they have more than a metropolitan area which has higher amoung and diversity of recent non-ethnic foreigners (mainly of non-western origin). Also france being a bigger country has a lot of countryside dominated by ethnic french, in fact if you exclude paris metropolitan area I wouldnt even see france making the list, the same would go for the UK excluding the great London.

5) The so named UK, how multicultural it really is? I see it as very multicultural in some big cities (more so London, where there are lot of south asians, arabs, black caribbeans, eastern europeans and other minorities) yet you dont see other city in the whole uk being on par with london, you have manchester, birmingham, liverpool, glasgow, newcastle, edinburgh, none of those come close in terms of multiculturality (all are 70%+ ethnic british) and different nationalities london has to offer, and even considering as a whole london doesnt have as many different source of immigrants such as cities like toronto, amsterdam or brussels who are the most diverse nationality-wise speaking. The Uk also has large population on small towns/countryside and its largely( in some areas even exclusively) dominated by the ethnic brits.

6) Unlike other countries with a colonial pasts ( like cases of #2,#3,#4,#5 and other being nations made up by immigrants, the case of #1) Sweden is a country who became multicultural much lately mainly being highly progressive and open to receive political/war refuges since the 70's. Now many families and relatives of those people moved to sweden turning the country into a big melting pot. You dont have Stockholm but also malmo, gothenburg,Uppsala, etc where foreigners are a large minority, I'm talking about cities where 35-25% of citizens are of non swedish backgroung who are recent arrivers (or scandinavian background), you have so many different types of arabs, africans, latin americans, and even minorities from other european countries (specially greeks and balkan nationalities) and the closer finns, who although neighbours are completly different people in mentality and culture with the swedes (unlike norwegians). Also nearly every middle-small swedish city has his decent number of non-western foreigners (10-20%), who are just fresh of the boat, and who in most cases dont even speak the local language.



Now the question? why I let out the US from the Ranking? because the US isnt that multicultural afterall, you have a big mass of "white people" not ethnic french, ethnic dutch, ethnic german, just a blurry race of white people where some are more predominantly british, others Irish, other italian , other german, but the real nearly pure ethnic ones are very small %, let alone those who are recent foreigners (fresh boat) and who speak their local language. The US was a large destination of foreigners many decades ago, not anymore. Nowadays you see large waves of mexicans trying to move the US (mostly illegaly) is that diversity? You have many black people in the US? but are they really diverse black people like the blacks you see in france or the netherlands? not even close, they are homogenized race of african-americans (with mainly origins in certain parts of west africa) and who have mixed for centuries and have created the african-american looks we all know nowadays, so they arent like black in france, where you see 2 blacks from sudan, one from congo , 2 from kenya and one from somalia, all walking in the same street and with very different facial features, customes and behaviors, all foreign to france. The African americans are just as american as the white americans, and as homogenized as the white americans, they have created a race after so many centuries of mixture. How many recent foreigners (first generation) is receiving the US, from places like middle east, north africa, sub saharian africa, europe, east asia nowadays? the reality is they are a tiny number compared with all the mexicans and central americans that cross the border everyday. So, for me having lot of "non whites" isnt diversity because, the whites arent even ethnically pure in the US, so they are more like a bluried mutt race, so are the african americans. In Europe ethnic europeans are just so damn easy to tell apart you can go and tell this person is dutch, french, german, italian, etc because they are for the most part that heritage where they come from and they all have distinctive features whom are easily to spot away just looking at first sight, and they dont claim italian (unlike the italians in the US) because they happen to have a grandpa from italy who they never saw in their lives but they raised and live in the US and all the rest of his family is mainly British/Irish Origin, thats what happen in the US, diversity of races? yes, but diversity within the races? not really..

And its not only about the looks, but also cultures have become more blurries in the US, there is acting white, black, hispanic, etc. In europe an average group of ethnic brits, french, dutch, polish and spaniards behave nothing in common usually and have very different cultures/traditions/ways of living and thinking about life. In america being white is just a label because afterall nearly every white is a mixmash of european ancestries (mainly british Isles/Ireland) with sometimes a dash of non european blood (either black colonial, jewish or recent hispanic/amerindian)
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Old 10-02-2012, 02:15 PM
 
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The Philippines & Indonesia which has several ethnic groups in the country. Singapore is a melting pot in Asia too.
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Old 10-02-2012, 02:22 PM
 
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That is a completely bizarre choice of countries for the poll, mixing countries that have temporary foreign workers who are not allowed to settle permanently with countries that permit immigration -- and of course ignoring the countries of the world with the highest percentage of immigrants.

One might also wonder what is meant by multicultural? I see here much discussion about white vs. non-white population percentages, but this is completely meaningless. In the United States, most of the white and black population have the same culture -- that's the whole point of a country being a melting pot. After two or three generations, the cultural differences tend to disappear.
I thought that was strange - mentioning Quatar and Singapore and a few other countries mentioned here. Guys the "multicultural" element are temporary workers, in other words - there indentured servants (a bit melodramatic, but that's it). As, in effect, non-persons, or "persona non-grata", they don't factor into the countries culture.
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Old 10-02-2012, 02:25 PM
 
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I thought that was strange - mentioning Quatar and Singapore and a few other countries mentioned here. Guys the "multicultural" element are temporary workers, in other words - there indentured servants (a bit melodramatic, but that's it). As, in effect, non-persons, they don't factor into the countries culture.
Just because the government doesn't recognize them doesn't meant they aren't there. When you've got a place that's 85% foreigners from all over the world, not even long term residents so they really still have their cultures, I'm going to call this place multicultural because that's the reality of the city whether or not it's permanent or the government recognizes these people. That's why I voted for UAE over Canada or USA or any of those other countries.
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Old 10-02-2012, 02:32 PM
 
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Just because the government doesn't recognize them doesn't meant they aren't there. When you've got a place that's 85% foreigners from all over the world, not even long term residents so they really still have their cultures, I'm going to call this place multicultural because that's the reality of the city whether or not it's permanent or the government recognizes these people. That's why I voted for UAE over Canada or USA or any of those other countries.
The difference perhaps, and this relates not only with these countries but many countries including Europe, as opposed to the US - is that they don't assimilate into the identity of the country. That could be good or bad however you look at it (in Europe it appears to be turning into a social problem). The US right now is a melting pot of diffirent cultures all mixed together in sometime unrecognizable forms that are encouraged to adapt to US customs. These other countries, and even Europe, the cultures stay segregated. So that you can go to the areas in which they live and not hear only that language, eat only their food, and experience only their customs. THe US on the other hand you might hear a mixture of languages and foods and religions - all in the radius of a block.
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Old 10-02-2012, 06:19 PM
 
Location: New York metropolitan area
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USA & Canada
Brazil
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Old 10-03-2012, 02:51 AM
 
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no surprise Amsterdam is the city with more nationalities suscripted living in, which makes it the most diverse city in the world

I find it very difficult to beleive that a city with 177 nationalities living in it is the most diverse in the world, sounds like an urban legend to me. Still that is very impressive for a city the size or amsterdam.

I thought the dutch did not even conduct a census?

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Old 10-06-2012, 02:05 PM
 
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USA by sheer immigration volume alone! Canada probably close second, then the UK....
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Old 10-07-2012, 08:01 PM
 
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USA by sheer immigration volume alone! Canada probably close second, then the UK....
I agree with you. USA's diversity is just stunning in magnitude. No country in the world could come even close. How many Native American's are there in the UK? Canada is diverse but it's population is much smaller than the U.S.

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The Philippines & Indonesia which has several ethnic groups in the country. Singapore is a melting pot in Asia too.
Yes. The Philippines is more and more than likely becoming more of a melting pot in Asia.
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Old 10-08-2012, 12:04 PM
 
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Yes. The Philippines is more and more than likely becoming more of a melting pot in Asia.

True dat. Encountering a person who has several ethnic backgrounds in their bloodline in the Philippines isn't all too rare by any stretch of the imagination....
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