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By the way, even if this wasn't the case, we have the possibility to vote on it NOW (via a referendum) if there was a need to so the monarchy to this day relies on public consent for its existence.
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If there's no stated mechanism to remove the monarchy, then it's not possible under the law, therefore is illegal.
I already explained this to you. It doesn't matter that there is no legal mechanism for it now (since there's no need for it) because if the time comes that public opinion shifts in favour of a republic, new laws can easily be created to make it happen just like it did in Italy back in 1946.
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So you're telling me, if you had to do it again from scratch, you'd want an unelected head of state, who holds office for an infinite term, receives tax payers money, and legally has veto power?
That's right
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Your monarchy is head of state by law, has veto power by law, and receives free tax money by law. As long as that's the case, the government is not a true democracy.
*sigh* I keep on repeating myself. I'll say it one last time:
THE HEAD OF STATE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GOVERNMENT.
The head of state has no real political power. The equivalent of the President in the US is the Prime Minister in parliamentary constitutional monarchies. The head of state does not interfere in the political process and makes no political statements. All legislation is done by democratically elected politicians with no input from the monarch whatsoever.
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Yes, sometimes the majority gets it wrong. All monarchies should be abolished no matter what. I will never defend the monarchy/dictatorship institution and neither should you.
This shows that you don't care about democracy at all. You have no regard for what the vast majority (over 80%) of the population want because YOU have decided that they are "wrong". The fact that you believe that European monarchies are "dictatorships" shows how pathetically uninformed you are about foreign politics. It doesn't matter how many times you repeat yourself, it doesn't make it true.
That's all I can do at your ignorance. You have no respect or understanding for how other countries CHOOSE to do things. You are applying American logic to foreign countries that you quite clearly have zero understanding of or respect for.
This thread is "Why do do many people hate America". We (the rest of the world) don't hate you, but your posts in this thread are shining examples of why Americans get a bad rep. Pure ignorance.
Are you still tired? I thought you went and rested?
The people never voted them into office so how could they choose?
America does things wrong and we get called out for it, as we should. A monarchy is wrong and should be called out. And I will not play pretend and act like it's good institution nor should you.
Don't blame me because the UK is not a democracy. I like the UK, but I will not describe it as something it is not. The UK is correctly described as a Constitutional Monarchy
The UK has some democratic elements, but isn't a democracy because an unelected monarch is head of state for an endless term.
Oh please, clearly you have no clue what a constitutional monarchy is. I'm not even going to bother trying to humour you because it would be a waste of time.
How are we any less "free" than you are? Not even the president of the United States can bring about the kind of change he'd like to introduce. He's just a figurehead too, but the problem with your system is that it places too much blame or praise on "one man", whether it be Obama or Bush. That nonsensical crap would not appeal to many Northern Europeans. We like our figurehead heads of state with historical ties and our parliamentary systems which allows us to choose several different parties and judge the party in power, rather than just some flashy individual.
You need to travel more and you need to stop judging other countries based on an American viewpoint. We all rank pretty high on the democracy spectrum.
Are you still tired? I thought you went and rested?
The people never voted them into office so how could they choose?
America does things wrong and we get called out for it, as we should. A monarchy is wrong and should be called out. And I will not play pretend and act like it's good institution nor should you.
You are clueless. I suggest you read and re-read the posts made by fellow Europeans so that you may grasp what I am trying to tell you. I could make the same claims about your so-called democracy in the USA, which is largely bought by corporate interests.
The two have no relation whatsoever. European monarchies are the opposite of tyrannical because they have no political power, unlike the Republic of North Korea, the People's Republic of China, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the Republic of Cuba, etc.
By the way, even if this wasn't the case, we have the possibility to vote on it NOW (via a referendum) if there was a need to so the monarchy to this day relies on public consent for its existence.
I already explained this to you. It doesn't matter that there is no legal mechanism for it now (since there's no need for it) because if the time comes that public opinion shifts in favour of a republic, new laws can easily be created to make it happen just like it did in Italy back in 1946.
Again, if there's no stated mechanism to remove the monarchy, then it's not possible under the law, therefore is illegal.
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*sigh* I keep on repeating myself. I'll say it one last time:
THE HEAD OF STATE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GOVERNMENT.
The head of state has no real political power. The equivalent of the President in the US is the Prime Minister in parliamentary constitutional monarchies. The head of state does not interfere in the political process and makes no political statements. All legislation is done by democratically elected politicians with no input from the monarch whatsoever.
Answer me this:
Does the monarch have the official government title of head of state?
Does the monarch have the legally written ability to veto a law? (even if it's unused through precedent)
Do they receive tax payer money?
Do they have a term limit, and is there a stated mechanism to remove them from office?
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Originally Posted by LindavG
This shows that you don't care about democracy at all. You have no regard for what the vast majority (over 80%) of the population want because YOU have decided that they are "wrong". The fact that you believe that European monarchies are "dictatorships" shows how pathetically uninformed you are about foreign politics. It doesn't matter how many times you repeat yourself, it doesn't make it true.
The majority is not always correct, like when protecting minority rights. And any majority that defends and props up a monarchy over democracy is obviously wrong.
Are you not aware that some things that have popular support are actually wrong? The majority in California voted against gay marriage, was that correct???
This is an entirely different case because it deals with human rights. Having a parliamentary constitutional republic with wide popular support doesn't violate anyone's rights.
You don't care about democracy, you want to impose the American model on other countries when over 80% of the population clearly state they don't want it.
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Also, did you know that Saudi Arabian leaders consider themselves Monarchy too. North Korea as well.
Saudi Arabia is an absolute monarchy which is very different from a parliamentary constitutional monarchy. And the Republic of North Korea considers itself a monarchy? This just keeps getting better
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You keep on defending and finding excuses for monarchies, I'll defend freedom and democracy
You keep on making a fool out of yourself and show the rest of us how brainwashed you are
You are clueless. I suggest you read and re-read the posts made by fellow Europeans so that you may grasp what I am trying to tell you. I could make the same claims about your so-called democracy in the USA, which is largely bought by corporate interests.
People in glass houses.
But you can't make the same claim because America is a democratic republic and doesn't have an unelected head of state that holds office forever.
The two have no relation whatsoever. European monarchies are the opposite of tyrannical because they have no political power, unlike the Republic of North Korea, the People's Republic of China, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the Republic of Cuba, etc.
America along with France etc made republics popular like democracy and now everyone that isn't wants to be one.
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