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I visited Lourdes in France some years ago. That felt like a pretty religious place. I am an atheist but I still liked the atmosphere there. The town is major place of Roman Catholic pilgrimage.
Interesting observation about your experience in Lourdes Midi-Pyrenees region of France. I feel France overall is spiritual and sort of religious simultaneously depending on some regions.
I knew about a religious presence in Lourdes, and at the same time didn’t know about a Roman Catholic pilgrimage happening there and up to millions of people from all over the world visiting there based on religious reasons, 200 million people from the year 1860.
Why are you atheist? You live in Norway Scandinavia and supposedly a very wealthy, peaceful, low level corruption country, and ranking well in Global Happiness rank. Are you at the absolute minimum spiritual? What is Scandinavia’s sense of spirituality when not compared to religion? A majority of music from Scandinavia feels kind of connected to a form of spirituality.
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No offense, but are you just spewing out random lists? lol.
I wouldn't say Malaysia is all that religious, I mean especially compared to some other Muslim nations. A lot of people there aren't really religious.
How is the Czech Republic, France, Switzerland, Austria 'spiritual'?
When I think of spiritual I think of countries like India, where there is a sense of the deeper meaning and purpose of life. Maybe countries like Armenia too.
You should know my post based on topic includes much more than a list. Why are you only obsessing about the negative, or one thing you don’t agree with all of a sudden, and not focusing more in what you agree on? Maybe you agree with a majority of my list, even while disagreeing with some areas of the world, and feel the same about not wanting Middle East included.
Well, a specific list based on statistics about percentage of population that are religious, observations of countries serious level of involvement in religion. Spirituality is more multidimensional, enigmatic to measure, and usually based in national character personality temperament, personal values, communication, and lifestyle.
All of post outside a specific list, “Religious and Spiritual are not the same, and have some noticeable differences in lifestyle, mindset, thinking beliefs, application, and multidimensional universal existence.
People are able to show religious and spiritual beliefs simultaneously, or believe in spirituality, and not religion.
There is a debate about religious vs. spiritual allowed to show up and evolve in the same topic."
You should know my post based on topic includes much more than a list. Why are you only obsessing about the negative, or one thing you don’t agree with all of a sudden, and not focusing more in what you agree on? Maybe you agree with a majority of my list, even while disagreeing with some areas of the world, and feel the same about not wanting Middle East included.
Well, a specific list based on statistics about percentage of population that are religious, observations of countries serious level of involvement in religion. Spirituality is more multidimensional, enigmatic to measure, and usually based in national character personality temperament, personal values, communication, and lifestyle.
All of post outside a specific list, “Religious and Spiritual are not the same, and have some noticeable differences in lifestyle, mindset, thinking beliefs, application, and multidimensional universal existence.
People are able to show religious and spiritual beliefs simultaneously, or believe in spirituality, and not religion.
There is a debate about religious vs. spiritual allowed to show up and evolve in the same topic."
But I'm still not sure how the Czech republic is spiritual? Can you tell me why you think this?
Yes of course I know that, but there is overlap. I think both a religious fundamentalist and an atheist might be not very spiritual, likewise a lukewarm religious person and an agnostic might be more likely to be spiritual/spiritually open/open to the 'deeper' side of life. I don't know much about the Czech Republic to make a call except for the high level of atheism there.
Some have given good arguments for defining "religious" and "spiritual" differently to what you seem to have in mind, so it would have been easier on the thread if you had defined terms a bit more clearly. I take it you meant it this way:
"Religious" - tendency to follow physical rituals, traditions and material customs that are associated with spiritual beliefs.
"Spirituality" - tendency to engage and behave in accordance with inspiration and insight received from the transcendental.
Though Mexico is becoming very left and liberal and secular kind of quickly, I think it's one of the most religious countries in the world. I believe Mexico City is the city with the most churches in the world, though now the city is really really liberal. Maybe not like the Northeastern USA or San Francisco, but for being in Mexico or in a 3rd world country, it's really liberal. Poland, The Phillipines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Burma and Thailand have to also be there as highly religious. Oh not forget the central american countries like Guatemala and El Salvador, Honduras and Nicaragua, add maybe Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic and Cuba. Maybe some south American countries but I wouldn't know about them. I'm thinking San Marino and the Vatican must be very religious still. Also a lot of Sub-Saharan and North African countries maybe. India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, and Sri Lanka also. China must have a lot of religious people because of its large population, but that's because it has so many people, percentage wise is very low though. South Korea is pretty religious especially in comparison to the Japanese and Chinese. I believe around 30% are Christian and another 30% are Buddhist.
I didn’t expect you to feel like that about Vietnam and your experience over there, especially in Hoi An and temples over there.
In a post in another topic you said a contradiction about Vietnam //www.city-data.com/forum/asia/...ost-least.html “Vietnamese are very traditional, strongly influenced by Confucianism/Taoism/Buddhism and native Vietnamese religion/beliefs.” Some areas of China is probably very spiritual, including a high level of spiritual mysticism in Feng Shui, Yin Yang, and visiting temples historic architecture.
Hopefully, areas of mainland Asia maintain a balance between a traditional exotic authentic culture together in some globalized modern culture.
I visited Western Europe France, Eastern Europe Romania, some of Central America Yucatan Peninsula of Mexico, Costa Rica, Oregon, California plenty of times in my life.
I already know spiritual mysticism is multidimensional, sometimes vague, enigmatic, and elusive simultaneously. However, there is occasionally an obvious experience in noticeable forms of spiritual mysticism and I believe in spiritual mysticism in the World. That is worthy of a topic, yet I understand why the same topic was combined in your topic “What Countries seem very spiritual, What seem less so?”
Well I think it's more a cultural thing, I guess it's because one sees a lot of temples.etc and Vietnamese can be superstitious, so maybe they are a bit more so than they appear (like Hong Kong or Taiwan). On the other hand, when you interract with Vietnamese and see them, most of them, it doesn't seem that way. My Vietnamese friend says that most Vietnamese do not really follow any religion or philosophy seriously. Most will occasionally go to the shrine to place incense, or the temple once in awhile, like people here go to church at Christmas.
Though Mexico is becoming very left and liberal and secular kind of quickly, I think it's one of the most religious countries in the world. I believe Mexico City is the city with the most churches in the world, though now the city is really really liberal. Maybe not like the Northeastern USA or San Francisco, but for being in Mexico or in a 3rd world country, it's really liberal. Poland, The Phillipines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Burma and Thailand have to also be there as highly religious. Oh not forget the central american countries like Guatemala and El Salvador, Honduras and Nicaragua, add maybe Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic and Cuba. Maybe some south American countries but I wouldn't know about them. I'm thinking San Marino and the Vatican must be very religious still. Also a lot of Sub-Saharan and North African countries maybe. India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, and Sri Lanka also. China must have a lot of religious people because of its large population, but that's because it has so many people, percentage wise is very low though. South Korea is pretty religious especially in comparison to the Japanese and Chinese. I believe around 30% are Christian and another 30% are Buddhist.
Korea is getting less religious, more materialistic/secular. A lot of the Christianity is of the American 'prosperity gospel' type, although not to say there aren't a lot of true believers. A lot of Buddhists are more cultural.
Sri Lanka is very religious, I think 99% of Sri Lankans consider religion 'very important' in their lives.
Korea is getting less religious, more materialistic/secular. A lot of the Christianity is of the American 'prosperity gospel' type, although not to say there aren't a lot of true believers. A lot of Buddhists are more cultural.
Sri Lanka is very religious, I think 99% of Sri Lankans consider religion 'very important' in their lives.
Yes but the same can be said to many other countries. It seems like even the Islamic countries are getting that way. Countries like Iran or Iraq have low birth rates and roughly 667 people leave Islam every hour.
Yes but the same can be said to many other countries. It seems like even the Islamic countries are getting that way. Countries like Iran or Iraq have low birth rates and roughly 667 people leave Islam every hour.
Well, yes, people have always looked to religion to better their lives, but it just seems that American style evangelical prosperity type thing is big in South Korea, with mega-churches.etc. I hear it's growing in Latin America too. Not surprised about Iran, with liberalisation people will resent how religion was forced upon them and leave in droves.
Well, yes, people have always looked to religion to better their lives, but it just seems that American style evangelical prosperity type thing is big in South Korea, with mega-churches.etc. I hear it's growing in Latin America too. Not surprised about Iran, with liberalisation people will resent how religion was forced upon them and leave in droves.
Iranians may be very critical of the Religious rulers of Iran, yet it is very rare to hear an Iranian that has no religion.
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