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View Poll Results: You top pick? (multiple choice this time-- for those that like a few of the places)
New York 61 29.33%
London 53 25.48%
Hong Kong 37 17.79%
Tokyo 28 13.46%
Paris 29 13.94%
Voters: 208. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-14-2018, 06:08 PM
 
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This is my view as well.

Out of them all I would have to say New York first because I've never been there secondly because it to be a vibrant and amazing city. I have been to London only once but that was in the mid 1980's (with my young children, a lot of preparation and work) and I would choose to see it again after New York. The rest as follows regarding my interest and impression of them.

New York

London

Hong Kong

Tokyo

Paris
Well, that's always a good reason! Actually, not going to a city probably does elevate it to a degree. And London is a very different city to how it was in the mid-eighties, yet still retains its historical aspect and mystery.


Of the list, I'll discard London because I live there (but with my interests, I'd still pick it first), so in order of these cities I've visited:

Tokyo - my mind was blown after visiting ten years ago. It's so stupidly strange, crazy and beautiful I'd say it's the closest to some weird, alien, culture I've experienced!

Paris - Undeniably beautiful, culturally immersive and sophisticated. I really need to visit again to get a better feel for it though.

NYC - great to visit, amazing food, cool vibe. But...something was missing for me. I think, perhaps, because of it being over-represented in the media, I never felt this element of surprise. But weirdly, I'm still surprised by London all the time, and that's even having lived there all my life.

HK - never been there, nor felt the need to visit. But if I do, i'll update...
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Old 06-14-2018, 10:56 PM
 
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I'm a little surprised that many westerners consider Tokyo a wonder land.
It is a nice place for sure, but in terms of "wonderfulness" I do not see it beat NYC or even Shanghai. It is "neater" than both though.
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Old 06-15-2018, 12:12 AM
 
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I'm a little surprised that many westerners consider Tokyo a wonder land.
It is a nice place for sure, but in terms of "wonderfulness" I do not see it beat NYC or even Shanghai. It is "neater" than both though.
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Old 06-15-2018, 12:19 AM
 
Location: Near Luxembourg
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Well, that's always a good reason! Actually, not going to a city probably does elevate it to a degree. And London is a very different city to how it was in the mid-eighties, yet still retains its historical aspect and mystery.


Of the list, I'll discard London because I live there (but with my interests, I'd still pick it first), so in order of these cities I've visited:

Tokyo - my mind was blown after visiting ten years ago. It's so stupidly strange, crazy and beautiful I'd say it's the closest to some weird, alien, culture I've experienced!

Paris - Undeniably beautiful, culturally immersive and sophisticated. I really need to visit again to get a better feel for it though.

NYC - great to visit, amazing food, cool vibe. But...something was missing for me. I think, perhaps, because of it being over-represented in the media, I never felt this element of surprise. But weirdly, I'm still surprised by London all the time, and that's even having lived there all my life.

HK - never been there, nor felt the need to visit. But if I do, i'll update...
No need to visit HK...
You will save your money for much better cities... Even if they aren't sanctuaries for finance
Busan, Seoul, Kyoto.... Miss them
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Old 06-15-2018, 01:36 AM
 
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I was there last month.
Most liveable? It depends on how you define it. If you are rich and speak Japanese and love the manners. Yes.
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Old 06-15-2018, 02:30 AM
 
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I am blown away by the amount of people voting for truly expensive places like London and NYC.

NYC is stressful, all you do is work, its very overpriced, ouutside of Manhattan most of the city looks horrible, rats everywhere, roaches all over *You cannot escape them*, infrastructure is falling apart, if you are a person of color escalating the social pyramid past the invisible glass you will be pushed down by the NY elite.

London is pretensious, terrible food *Yes they have restaurants from everywhere but the reality is most of the food is not the best, so while its true that you can go have lasagna at a little Italian restaurant somewhere, the quality if often mediocre, that applies to most cuisines there *, if you want a good dining experience its outregously expensive, nightlife is pretensious and outrageously pricey, it is a rather dangerous city with stabbings being a commonaity, transportation is terribly expensive, weather is far from ideal.

Who dont people pick Tokyo, It is beyond me! it offers EVERYTHING London and NYC pretensiously offer, at a smaller price, with excellent quality.
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Old 06-15-2018, 02:45 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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I am blown away by the amount of people voting for truly expensive places like London and NYC.

NYC is stressful, all you do is work, its very overpriced, ouutside of Manhattan most of the city looks horrible, rats everywhere, roaches all over *You cannot escape them*, infrastructure is falling apart, if you are a person of color escalating the social pyramid past the invisible glass you will be pushed down by the NY elite.

London is pretensious, terrible food *Yes they have restaurants from everywhere but the reality is most of the food is not the best, so while its true that you can go have lasagna at a little Italian restaurant somewhere, the quality if often mediocre, that applies to most cuisines there *, if you want a good dining experience its outregously expensive, nightlife is pretensious and outrageously pricey, it is a rather dangerous city with stabbings being a commonaity, transportation is terribly expensive, weather is far from ideal.

Who dont people pick Tokyo, It is beyond me! it offers EVERYTHING London and NYC pretensiously offer, at a smaller price, with excellent quality.
Hello Irene.
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Old 06-15-2018, 02:59 AM
 
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I am blown away by the amount of people voting for truly expensive places like London and NYC.

NYC is stressful, all you do is work, its very overpriced, ouutside of Manhattan most of the city looks horrible, rats everywhere, roaches all over *You cannot escape them*, infrastructure is falling apart, if you are a person of color escalating the social pyramid past the invisible glass you will be pushed down by the NY elite.

London is pretensious, terrible food *Yes they have restaurants from everywhere but the reality is most of the food is not the best, so while its true that you can go have lasagna at a little Italian restaurant somewhere, the quality if often mediocre, that applies to most cuisines there *, if you want a good dining experience its outregously expensive, nightlife is pretensious and outrageously pricey, it is a rather dangerous city with stabbings being a commonaity, transportation is terribly expensive, weather is far from ideal.

Who dont people pick Tokyo, It is beyond me! it offers EVERYTHING London and NYC pretensiously offer, at a smaller price, with excellent quality.
Irene, your limited experience in London and NYC is evident by the nonsense you post and I don't think you know what the word "pretentious" means. Also NYC and London (despite the recent spike in, mostly, gang-related violence) remain extremely safe as large cities go.

And I love Tokyo, but it clearly doesn't offer EVERYTHING the other cities possess! Oh and if we want to talk about the weather, maybe I can use my limited time (two weeks) in Tokyo as an example - I froze my bloody nuts off! So, in Irene-world, it must be like that all the time!
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Old 06-15-2018, 04:26 AM
 
Location: Taipei
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I was there last month.
Most liveable? It depends on how you define it. If you are rich and speak Japanese and love the manners. Yes.
It is certainly more liveable than anything other Asian countries have to offer.
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Old 06-15-2018, 08:56 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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I'm a little surprised that many westerners consider Tokyo a wonder land.
It is a nice place for sure, but in terms of "wonderfulness" I do not see it beat NYC or even Shanghai. It is "neater" than both though.
A lot of non-Westerners, too.

Tokyo is a great place to explore by foot. There are small shrines and temples everywhere as well as odd shops and retail districts. I think part of what makes Tokyo so very distinctive is how pedestrianized the whole thing is and how that goes on for such a wide expanse and across so many distinctive neighborhoods.

I think another factor is just how polite everyone else and how well put-together and how smoothly things run there.

In my experience, the food is a lot better in Tokyo overall than either NYC or Shanghai. Random produce you buy or small restaurants you walk into generally have better odds of being good than its counterparts in NYC or Shanghai.

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