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Old 07-26-2022, 06:39 AM
 
Location: Australia
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Anyone who thinks Australia is not very diverse is unlikely to have caught a train in Sydney.
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Old 07-26-2022, 06:48 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Anyone who thinks Australia is not very diverse is unlikely to have caught a train in Sydney.
Black African + white European is the holy Grail of diversity.

Until you have that by the millions in population, you have not really experienced it.

Only a few countries like the United States, South Africa and Brazil know what it’s like in real life. It will feel like an alternate universe politically and socially.
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Old 07-26-2022, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Bergen County, New Jersey
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Anyone who thinks Australia is not very diverse is unlikely to have caught a train in Sydney.
After spending lots of time in Sydney, it is rather diverse.

However, living in the US, it is far more diverse in a lot of the urban areas.

ie, The city I live near is 18% White, 29% Hispanic/Latino, 22% Black/African American, 26% Asian.. and only 45% of the residents were born in the USA, any signage/wording in public are in English AND Spanish, Only ~55% speak English at home, more than 8% Muslim and 5% Jewish (Which is low for NJ), etc

The diversity I see in various Metropolitan Areas across the US has been immense.

Australia IS diverse. Id smack it between the US and Canada, with it being closer to Canada via my recent travels/experiences.
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Old 07-26-2022, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Bergen County, New Jersey
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Black African + white European is the holy Grail of diversity.

Until you have that by the millions in population, you have not really experienced it.

Only a few countries like the United States, South Africa and Brazil know what it’s like in real life. It will feel like an alternate universe politically and socially.
ehh I wouldn't go that far. That's a pretty American definition.
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Old 07-26-2022, 09:43 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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Anyone who thinks Australia is not very diverse is unlikely to have caught a train in Sydney.

Yea, and I think a large part of it is the large proportion of foreign-born population and first generation of people born in Australia which is really high up there. Australia is at about 30%, Canada at 21%, and the US at about 15%. This is arguably a much larger difference in terms of the basic communications when it comes to language and idiomatic expressions and the kind of shared understanding of cultures. This also extends out on a city level as Sydney to me felt in practice, as in day to day, extremely diverse in a way that's pretty rare in US cities. Sydney's proportion of foreign-born is actually greater than that of LA and NYC's, and comparable to Vancouver's, but unlike Vancouver, doesn't draw so heavily on one specific region/culture.
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Old 07-26-2022, 10:33 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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ehh I wouldn't go that far. That's a pretty American definition.
Diversity through slave trade and refugees from third world countries is not the same as diversity through merit and high educational qualifications among immigrants.

Plus, there is a race factor because different racial groups have different IQs and propensities for criminal activity. Canada and Australia simply don't allow that much immigration from black or sub-Saharan African countries. There are more black people in the United States than the entire population living in Canada or Australia. Let that sink in for a moment.

They have completely different impacts on a society. The devil is in the details.
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Old 07-26-2022, 12:36 PM
 
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Diversity through slave trade and refugees from third world countries is not the same as diversity through merit and high educational qualifications among immigrants.

Plus, there is a race factor because different racial groups have different IQs and propensities for criminal activity. Canada and Australia simply don't allow that much immigration from black or sub-Saharan African countries. There are more black people in the United States than the entire population living in Canada or Australia. Let that sink in for a moment.

They have completely different impacts on a society. The devil is in the details.
You are speaking a whole lot of bull****. Nigeria presently and Jamaica historically have been among the largest source of Immigrants to Canada.

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Old 07-26-2022, 01:07 PM
 
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There are parts of Australia where the original European settlers were largely German. Similarly, large scale immigration from Italy began pretty early in the 20th century in some parts of the country. The character is pretty noticeable even today. There is less evident Japanese influence in places like Broome. So it depends a lot on which part of Australia you're looking at.

The overall number didn't look large compared to the U.S. but you need to take into account the much, much larger total population of the U.S. at the time.

From time to time you see reminders of 19th century immigration from other countries. The oldest still functioning ski club in the world is claimed to be in Australia. It was started in the 1850s by Norwegians.

Fast forwarding to today, though, Australians born here and who have both parents born in the country are a minority group. Take that back another generation to grandparents, and it's an even smaller proportion of the country.
Large scale Italian immigration to Australia took place slowly, from the 1930s to about the 1970s. Whereas the American Italian immigration was much more intense and lasted from the 1880s to the 1920s.

This results in a 20 million Italian American population circa 2022, proportionally larger than the Italian Australian population. I think it’s safe to say that the Italian American population is larger and more culturally impactful.
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Old 07-26-2022, 05:00 PM
 
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Large scale Italian immigration to Australia took place slowly, from the 1930s to about the 1970s. Whereas the American Italian immigration was much more intense and lasted from the 1880s to the 1920s.

This results in a 20 million Italian American population circa 2022, proportionally larger than the Italian Australian population. I think it’s safe to say that the Italian American population is larger and more culturally impactful.

In the 2021 census roughly 1.1 million Australians identified as having Italian ancestry, which is about 4.4% of the total population of 25 million. In the 2019 American Community Survey 16.1 million Americans reported Italian ancestry. That’s about 4.9% of the US population of 328 million, which is very similar to Australia.

As for cultural influence, that’s more subjective. Even in regional Australia pretty much all supermarkets have large pasta and olive oil sections and sell Italian style bread, most pubs have “chicken parma” or other Italian inspired dish(s) on their menu, and upmarket Italian restaurants are pretty common. Similarly the coffee culture of Australia is pretty strong, and grew out the Italian influence. Those things are just so common that most people don’t see them as “Italian” in origin.

Travelling in New Zealand for example, which has had pretty much no large scale Italian migration, you don’t find much of those influences at all, apart from the somewhat similar cafe coffee culture.

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Old 07-26-2022, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Brisbane
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Anyone who thinks Australia is not very diverse is unlikely to have caught a train in Sydney.
It certainly is in the urban West Sydney, which of course is not where the tourists go,

Out of interest I added up the demographics of Cumberland, Parramatta, Fairfield, Strathfield, Cantubury Bankstown, Blacktown Liverpool and Burwood

Basically the area is home the 1.8 million people , of which 55% are immigrants, and 64% of them speak a language other than English, its also 15% Islamic which is actually a bit lower than I though it may have been , Arabic remains the most common non English language in the area though.

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