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Old 08-08-2022, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Elsewhere
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...this is just mindless nonsense.

Rural and suburban Canada is certifiably less diverse than rural and suburban America. It's not up for deliberation, it's the data. It's basic history.

Canada is much more white than the US is, and it has no rurally-based, historic racial groups like African Americans or Hispanic Americans. It just has whites and natives. A supermajority of it's racial minorities live in Canada's 5 largest urban areas.

Let me emphasize my shock: you seriously think towns/cities outside major urban areas in Canada are diverse, and not in America?

What "cities outside major urban areas" does Canada have?

Again, not even close. Canadian cities and towns are head-for-head less diverse than their American equivalents, and are certainly much whiter. Ditto Canadian vs American rural areas.
I dunno.

Using two cities with similar populations:

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According to 2019 US Census Bureau American Community Survey one-year estimates (which is conducted annually for cities over 65,000 via sampling), the population of Chicago, Illinois was 50.8% White (33.5% Non-Hispanic White and 17.3% Hispanic White), 29.0% Black or African American, 7.0% Asian, 0.4% Native American
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Toronto Demographics
White: 50.2%
East Asian: 12.7% (10.8% Chinese, 1.4% Korean, 0.5% Japanese)
South Asian: 12.3%
Black: 8.5%
Southeast Asian: 7.0% (5.1% Filipino)
Latin American: 2.8%
West Asian: 2.0%
Arab: 1.1%
The racial makeup percentages of non-whites are different, but the white population percentage is virtually the same.
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Old 08-08-2022, 03:55 PM
 
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Where did you find the figures on black population for Australia? Is it an estimate from somewhere? The government does not collect figures on race other than for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders. Hispanic is not a term even much used here so I am wondering what it includes.
The ancestory figures are obviously obtained from the census, where we can nominate more than one. Not necessarily accurate as many of the children of immigrants, like my kids, simply nominate Australian. Whereas someone like me, with a single grandparent who left Scotland at the age of two, is free to nominate Scottish.
You're correct...not a perfect science...too many people are "mixed" anyway...
for example, my ancestry is part Scottish...Norwegian...and other ancestry too...
so the "data" is just an estimation at best really...

I had to do a lot of googling to get the data ....is it super acurate?....perhaps not
but it gives a good indication at the very least...
It makes sense that Australia has a low "hispanic" population ...and Canada too...
the US has a lot ....with a long border with mexico...it's no surprise.
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Old 08-08-2022, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Brisbane
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Not sure...you could be right...but like another poster mentioned there large areas of the USA that all mostly "white"....and many generations removed from being immigrants. Baseball, hotdogs and apple pie....

The big differences between USA when compared to Canada and Australia,
...the two elephants in the room, ...are black and hispanic populations/percentages...
other than that ...Canada and Australia hold their own in terms of diversity.

Black population
Canada 1.2 million ....3.5%
USA 42 million .....12.5%
Australia 400 thousand ....1.6%

Hispanic population
Canada 500 thousand ....1.3%
USA 62 million .....18.7%
Australia 125 thousand ...0.43%

Indigenous population
Canada 1.6 million .....4.9%
USA 6 million .....1.8%
Australia 800 thousand ....3.3%

South Asian population
Canada 1.4 million ....3.7%
USA 5.4 million ....1.6%
Australia 900 thousand ...3.5%

Chinese population
Canada 1.8 million ....3.8%
USA 5.4 million ....1.6%
Australia 1.4 million ...5.5%

Filipino population
Canada 860 thousand ....2.5%
USA 4.2 million ....1.2%
Australia 408 thousand ....1.6%

Muslim population
Canada 2.8 million ...7.3%
USA 3.4 million ....1%
Australia 815 thousand ....3.2%

Asian population
Canada 6.1 million ....18%
USA 20 million ....5.9%
Australia 4.9 million ....17.5%

Polish ancestry
Canada 1.1 million ...2.9%
USA 9 million ....2.7%
Australia 180 thousand ...0.7%

German ancestry
Canada 3.3 million ....8.7%
USA 49 million ....14.4%
Australia 1 million ....4%

French ancestry
Canada 8 million ....21%
USA 10.4 million ....3%
Australia 100 thousand ...0.47%

Italian ancestry
Canada 1.6 million ....4.2%
USA 17.8 million ....5.2%
Australia 1.1 million ....4.4%

Ukrainian ancestry
Canada 1.4 million ....4%
USA 1 million ....0.3%
Australia 40 thousand ....0.15%
Good effort, it is hard to get any like for like comparisons really. As mentioned any quote of Australia's black population is only an estimate as no data is collected on race.

With the total Asian ancestry counts Canada includes the entire continent of Asia as Asian, while Australia and the USA only included the countries from Afghanistan to the East as Asian. Using like for like definitions Australia just over 20% Asian, and the USA about 7.

Getting the most recent figures is really difficult, Australia just released its census data for country birth for instance, and it counted the following numbers born in South Asia.

India 673,352
Sri Lanka 132,904
Nepal 122,506
Pakistan 89,633
Afghanistan 59,797
Bhutan 12,002

For a total of 1,090,194

The area in Europe that Australia seem to have more influence from that the US and Canada (Outside the UK of course), is from the islands in the Mediterranean Sea (Malta and Cyprus) , the counties that made up the former Yugoslavia, and Greece.

Of course the countries closest to Australia in Polynesia and Melanesia as well.
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Old 08-08-2022, 05:44 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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In the United States, Asians are considered to be the “safe” or “model” minority. They are like the new Jews.

They are not put in the same category as blacks or Hispanics.

So, when Canadians or Australians talk about all the Asians they have in their countries, an American may very well think “That doesn’t count. Those are white-adjacent people.”
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Old 08-09-2022, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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In the United States, Asians are considered to be the “safe” or “model” minority. They are like the new Jews.

They are not put in the same category as blacks or Hispanics.

So, when Canadians or Australians talk about all the Asians they have in their countries, an American may very well think “That doesn’t count. Those are white-adjacent people.”
There are different histories with these groups though. Hispanics and Black American history is not only different from one another, but vastly different than Asian American history. That history and how members in those groups were treated, will shape and define the present, so I think your comment should be counterbalanced with some historical context.

Having said all that, I think there is still justification for unease with your statement because there are huge numbers of all groups that have model citizens. I'd posit most do so there's that..
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Old 08-09-2022, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Montreal/Miami/Toronto
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Ah I love scrolling fast and seeing primarily American posters claiming Canadian cities are only white and not diverse. People (mainly Americans, no offense but I have to call you out) always forget that diversity is more than just White vs non-White. Also, the tendency to only limit diversity to two groups (Black population and Hispanic) while not counting other groups is so stupid.

Meanwhile (as of 2016):

Toronto: 250+ ethnic groups, 200 languages spoken, 51% foreign born (more diverse makeup than Miami's 58% foreign born).
Montreal: 200+ ethnic groups, 160 languages spoken, has an almost regionally balanced demographic with immigrant populations (added bonus of the most bi + tri-lingual city on the continent)
Vancouver: 180 languages spoken, high diversity amongst Asian regions, Europe, indigenous people, and becoming more diverse.

Our major cities tend to be more culturally diverse + linguistically diverse with more regional representation. Linguistically, Toronto stands toe to toe with NYC, Vancouver with LA and Montreal between D.C and L.A! Culturally, Toronto is known to be the most diverse city in the world and Montreal (for ex) have more ethnic groups than any other city outside NYC. I did not find a number for Vancouver, but I'd guesstimate 120-150.

Cities like Ottawa, Calgary or Edmonton, where this info is not as available as the three major cities, also are becoming increasingly diverse.

Add that Canadian cities also have a high amount of indigenous populations with their own nations and languages, more LGBTQ diversity and then you realize that Canadian cities are actually more diverse than most major U.S cities. Canadian cities also have a higher proportion of Asian people, Africans, indigenous and Muslim populations. Don't be surprised if the 2021 census shows that smaller cities located within a major city's CMA get more diverse, along with other smaller towns.

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Old 08-09-2022, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Brisbane
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The smaller Regional Cities in Australia are dominated by English Language and people of UK/Irish and German Ancestry . The people who do not fall into those categories however are quite diverse.

Like Toowoomba QLD (pop 170,000) which is the largest non coastal city in Australia after Canberra, 86% English speaking, 214 ancestries and 146 Languages.

Ballarat Victoria (Pop 115,000) is the only other non coastal city with more than 100.000 people, 88% English Speaking, 113 languages and 191 ancestries.

Townsville QLD (Pop 190,000) 84% English Speaking, 162 languages 223 ancestries.

etc
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Old 08-09-2022, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Coastal Connecticut
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Ah I love scrolling fast and seeing primarily American posters claiming Canadian cities are only white and not diverse. People (mainly Americans, no offense but I have to call you out) always forget that diversity is more than just White vs non-White. Also, the tendency to only limit diversity to two groups (Black population and Hispanic) while not counting other groups is so stupid.

Meanwhile (as of 2016):

Toronto: 250+ ethnic groups, 200 languages spoken, 51% foreign born (more diverse makeup than Miami's 58% foreign born).
Montreal: 200+ ethnic groups, 160 languages spoken, has an almost regionally balanced demographic with immigrant populations (added bonus of the most bi + tri-lingual city on the continent)
Vancouver: 180 languages spoken, high diversity amongst Asian regions, Europe, indigenous people, and becoming more diverse.

Our major cities tend to be more culturally diverse + linguistically diverse with more regional representation. Linguistically, Toronto stands toe to toe with NYC, Vancouver with LA and Montreal between D.C and L.A! Culturally, Toronto is known to be the most diverse city in the world and Montreal (for ex) have more ethnic groups than any other city outside NYC. I did not find a number for Vancouver, but I'd guesstimate 120-150.

Cities like Ottawa, Calgary or Edmonton, where this info is not as available as the three major cities, also are becoming increasingly diverse.

Add that Canadian cities also have a high amount of indigenous populations with their own nations and languages, more LGBTQ diversity and then you realize that Canadian cities are actually more diverse than most major U.S cities. Canadian cities also have a higher proportion of Asian people, Africans, indigenous and Muslim populations. Don't be surprised if the 2021 census shows that smaller cities located within a major city's CMA get more diverse, along with other smaller towns.
Yet - Toronto has never had a mayor of color and the political and economic leadership in Canada is very limited in diversity compared to the US. Where is the real power for diverse communities in Canada? It's a stagnant country in many ways and definitely not as dynamic as the US.
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Old 08-10-2022, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Montreal/Miami/Toronto
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Yet - Toronto has never had a mayor of color and the political and economic leadership in Canada is very limited in diversity compared to the US. Where is the real power for diverse communities in Canada? It's a stagnant country in many ways and definitely not as dynamic as the US.
So that's your indicator? Well, you cannot rule out that we've had a women run the country before or have had multiple women lead parties Federally, Provincially and at the mayoral level. Limited in diversity? There's Hispanics, Muslims, Asians from all five regions, Francophones (a minority ethnic group on the whole continent btw), Indigenous (and finally growing) and more Black people being represented, and running at all levels. Compare that to the U.S where it's mainly old White men and resembles melba toast.

Hell, even the Conservative party in Canada has more women, BIPOC AND LGBTQ+ representation than the U.S, which that will cause a riot if that was the case.

Also really? You're gonna disregard all that and fixate yourself on just Toronto? LOL. Canada is changing rapidly and is becoming more diverse and more accepting of all diversity than the United States has or ever will. And again, the American standard of "diversity is only White vs non-White and only matters if they're Black or Hispanic".
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Old 08-10-2022, 11:43 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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And again, the American standard of "diversity is only White vs non-White and only matters if they're Black or Hispanic".
There is diversity from all over the world in the United States. But I was saying that blacks and Hispanics are considered to be the “naughty” kind of the diversity.

When you have 100 million of a certain kind of people, then that is going to have a profound effect on the society.

Things look very different on the ground than they do in pop culture and Hollywood movies.
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