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It is really just an objective view of a time in history where people from other continents moved and settled in these countries. I don't think any of us claims these countries as our own. I am sorry if I offended you in any way. It's just a topic in which I am interested in. I am hoping to look more deeply into other groups as well but it is an overwhelming task.
Here are some stats/breakdown of the European ancestories of each countries. These datas are taken from the official census sites, 2011 for Australia and Canada and 2012 (5 year estimate) for USA.
The categorization of these group I followed the Statistic Canada's example. I have used total response/ancestories when possible since they are the easier to find, and for the comparison between the different countries (since they have different methods and surveys it seems) I have measured the numbers to the total number of the European ancestories, so the percentage would represent the % each sub groups represent within the total population with some European ancestories.
I hope it makes some sense lol. There are probably better ways to compare these but I hope this gives some kind of idea.
Australia (ABS, 2011)
British Isles 11254130 73,6%
Southern European 1962083 12,8%
Western European 1316741 8,6%
Eastern European 463021 3,0%
Nordic 138169 0,9%
French 110399 0,7%
Other Europeans 39670 0,3%
USA (US Census Bureau, 2012)
British Isles 73462704 36,8%
Western European 55594091 27,8%
Southern European 21603828 10,8%
Eastern European 19749679 9,9%
Nordic 11608261 5,8%
Other Europeans 8962825 4,5%
French 8914833 4,5%
Canada (Statistics Canada, 2011)
British Isles 16816890 48,0%
French 5082680 14,5%
Western European 4817430 13,8%
Eastern European 3700265 10,6%
Southern European 2964675 8,5%
Nordic 1271120 3,6%
Other Europeans 369235 1,1%
British Isles includes English, Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Channel Islander, Cornish, Manx
French includes Alsatian, Breton and French
Western European includes Australian, Belgian, Dutch, Flemish, Frisian, German, Luxembourger, Swiss
Nordic includes Danish, Finnish, Icelandic, Norwegian, Swedish
Eastern European includes Bulgarian, Byelorussian, Czech, Czechoslovakian, Estonian, Hungarian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Moldovan, Polish, Romanian, Russian, Slovak, Ukrainian
Southern European includes Albanian, Bosnian, Croatian, Cypriot, Greek, Italian, Kosovar, Macedonian, Maltese, Montenegrin, Portuguese, Serbian, Sicilian, Slovenian, Spanish, Yugoslavian
Other European includes Basque, Jewish (I have to get the US numbers from another site), Roma, Slavic n.o.s.
It is really just an objective view of a time in history where people from other continents moved and settled in these countries. I don't think any of us claims these countries as our own. I am sorry if I offended you in any way. It's just a topic in which I am interested in. I am hoping to look more deeply into other groups as well but it is an overwhelming task.
please do not apologize, you didnt imply anything at all.
and of course if you're a european immigrant born in Canada, US, Australia or New Zealand, that is obviously your country!!! however do not expect that everyone else is gonna see you as native and rightful owner of these places. (not being offensive, just very honest) especially in regards of asians, africans and latin americans being present in those places as well.
When I think of the REAL australia I think of aborigenees, their presence in the continent for over 50 thousand years, their ability to survive the harsh conditions of the outback, their didgeridoo.... I dont think of some blonde girl born in sydney whose family came from ireland 50 years ago!!!
Real canadians to me are the people in Nunavut, not justin bieber or celine Dion... their familes came from england and france a century ago
Real Americans are the Hopis on the Arizona mesetas.... cultivating corn for thousands of years all over arizona... I dont think a real American is a guido from new jersey whose parents got there from italy 80 years ago or an irish guy from boston whose family got there in the early 20th century.
to me a real kiwi is not a blonde haired blue eyed guy with german last names.... a real kiwi to me is a maori doing the haka and with beautiful tatoos all over.
Perhaps its just my impression as a non-westerner but I am being honest with how I perceive the world.
and of course if you're a european immigrant born in Canada, US, Australia or New Zealand, that is obviously your country!!! however do not expect that everyone else is gonna see you as native and rightful owner of these places. (not being offensive, just very honest) especially in regards of asians, africans and latin americans being present in those places as well.
When I think of the REAL australia I think of aborigenees, their presence in the continent for over 50 thousand years, their ability to survive the harsh conditions of the outback, their didgeridoo.... I dont think of some blonde girl born in sydney whose family came from ireland 50 years ago!!!
Real canadians to me are the people in Nunavut, not justin bieber or celine Dion... their familes came from england and france a century ago
Real Americans are the Hopis on the Arizona mesetas.... cultivating corn for thousands of years all over arizona... I dont think a real American is a guido from new jersey whose parents got there from italy 80 years ago or an irish guy from boston whose family got there in the early 20th century.
to me a real kiwi is not a blonde haired blue eyed guy with german last names.... a real kiwi to me is a maori doing the haka and with beautiful tatoos all over.
Perhaps its just my impression as a non-westerner but I am being honest with how I perceive the world.
Well we agree on that point
However for better or worse we are all here together now, and we have to try to make the best of it for everyone.
and of course if you're a european immigrant born in Canada, US, Australia or New Zealand, that is obviously your country!!! however do not expect that everyone else is gonna see you as native and rightful owner of these places. (not being offensive, just very honest) especially in regards of asians, africans and latin americans being present in those places as well.
When I think of the REAL australia I think of aborigenees, their presence in the continent for over 50 thousand years, their ability to survive the harsh conditions of the outback, their didgeridoo.... I dont think of some blonde girl born in sydney whose family came from ireland 50 years ago!!!
Real canadians to me are the people in Nunavut, not justin bieber or celine Dion... their familes came from england and france a century ago
Real Americans are the Hopis on the Arizona mesetas.... cultivating corn for thousands of years all over arizona... I dont think a real American is a guido from new jersey whose parents got there from italy 80 years ago or an irish guy from boston whose family got there in the early 20th century.
to me a real kiwi is not a blonde haired blue eyed guy with german last names.... a real kiwi to me is a maori doing the haka and with beautiful tatoos all over.
Perhaps its just my impression as a non-westerner but I am being honest with how I perceive the world.
Thank you for clarifying, Irene. I apologize if my post was a little rude.
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Originally Posted by danielsa1775
Well we agree on that point
However for better or worse we are all here together now, and we have to try to make the best of it for everyone.
Here are some stats/breakdown of the European ancestories of each countries. These datas are taken from the official census sites, 2011 for Australia and Canada and 2012 (5 year estimate) for USA.
The categorization of these group I followed the Statistic Canada's example. I have used total response/ancestories when possible since they are the easier to find, and for the comparison between the different countries (since they have different methods and surveys it seems) I have measured the numbers to the total number of the European ancestories, so the percentage would represent the % each sub groups represent within the total population with some European ancestories.
I hope it makes some sense lol. There are probably better ways to compare these but I hope this gives some kind of idea.
Australia (ABS, 2011)
British Isles 11254130 73,6%
Southern European 1962083 12,8%
Western European 1316741 8,6%
Eastern European 463021 3,0%
Nordic 138169 0,9%
French 110399 0,7%
Other Europeans 39670 0,3%
USA (US Census Bureau, 2012)
British Isles 73462704 36,8%
Western European 55594091 27,8%
Southern European 21603828 10,8%
Eastern European 19749679 9,9%
Nordic 11608261 5,8%
Other Europeans 8962825 4,5%
French 8914833 4,5%
Canada (Statistics Canada, 2011)
British Isles 16816890 48,0%
French 5082680 14,5%
Western European 4817430 13,8%
Eastern European 3700265 10,6%
Southern European 2964675 8,5%
Nordic 1271120 3,6%
Other Europeans 369235 1,1%
British Isles includes English, Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Channel Islander, Cornish, Manx
French includes Alsatian, Breton and French
Western European includes Australian, Belgian, Dutch, Flemish, Frisian, German, Luxembourger, Swiss
Nordic includes Danish, Finnish, Icelandic, Norwegian, Swedish
Eastern European includes Bulgarian, Byelorussian, Czech, Czechoslovakian, Estonian, Hungarian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Moldovan, Polish, Romanian, Russian, Slovak, Ukrainian
Southern European includes Albanian, Bosnian, Croatian, Cypriot, Greek, Italian, Kosovar, Macedonian, Maltese, Montenegrin, Portuguese, Serbian, Sicilian, Slovenian, Spanish, Yugoslavian
Other European includes Basque, Jewish (I have to get the US numbers from another site), Roma, Slavic n.o.s.
At least for the U.S.A., I think flanking the Catholic Irish and Protestant/Anglican Brits (English) under one category does a disservice to the strong history of Irish immigration to this country, and how they were treated as second class citizens. The Irish have always stood out as the anti-thesis to mainstream WASP culture in the U.S., and struggled because of it.
Also, by putting those two together it hides the fact that the number one ancestry in the U.S. is not British (as the Irish did not even consider themselves as such when they came over here), but German. After Germans, it is black/Africans, then Irish, then Mexican...the English are fifth. This is much different than both Canada and Australia.
Yeah, that had me wondering, too. In all my years in Canada, I met immigrants from almost every country, but none from Iceland.
Iceland only has like 300 thousands of population, naturally you won't meet many of them outside of Iceland.
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