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Most Americans would not be considered "English" in an Australian context at all, this is just something you tell yourself so you can judge us, negatively or otherwise, on your own terms. It's a false reality you construct to simultaneously flatter yourself by likening America to Australia (as if America is as insignificant, new and ethnically homogeneous), and also legitimize your attempted denigration of the US.
Only speak English with any proficiency, Anglo-Saxon surname, religious affiliation is to a Church linked back to the British Isles (eg Methodist or Episcopalian ie Church of England) no other recent cultural influences through their family line, ie parents or grandparents......
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Only speak English with any proficiency, Anglo-Saxon surname, religious affiliation is to a Church linked back to the British Isles (eg Methodist or Episcopalian ie Church of England) no other recent cultural influences through their family line, ie parents or grandparents......
Most Australian's wouldn't refer to Americans with an Anglo Saxon surname as English anymore they would assume one with more an Irish or German surname as part of that nationality. Australians would solely refer to them as American. The sole reason Australians today largely refer to their ethnicity as English over Australian is because of the ten pound pom scheme decades ago where millions of Australians currently have English parents, so they feel deeply connected to the motherland of their parents. As time moves on and immigration from other countries continue the statistics will change drastically.
The US is very different because while a quarter of the Entire US population refers to themselves as Irish or German in terms of ethnicity most of this migration was prior to the 20th century yet people many generations later still cling onto this heritage and wear it with pride. Australians are not like this at all similar to Kiwi's. They shed it after a few generations.
Canadians seem to be like Americans in how they identify with a heritage from many generations ago.
Most Australian's wouldn't refer to Americans with an Anglo Saxon surname as English anymore they would assume one with more an Irish or German surname as part of that nationality. Australians would solely refer to them as American. The sole reason Australians today largely refer to their ethnicity as English over Australian is because of the ten pound pom scheme decades ago where millions of Australians currently have English parents, so they feel deeply connected to the motherland of their parents. As time moves on and immigration from other countries continue the statistics will change drastically.
The US is very different because while a quarter of the Entire US population refers to themselves as Irish or German in terms of ethnicity most of this migration was prior to the 20th century yet people many generations later still cling onto this heritage and wear it with pride. Australians are not like this at all similar to Kiwi's. They shed it after a few generations.
Canadians seem to be like Americans in how they identify with a heritage from many generations ago.
I find this all quite interesting.
In terms of the census definitions, I've heard Australians whose family goes way back in Australia refer to their ethnicity as English or Irish. Similarly first generation born in Australia often describe themselves as "Australian" because there is no clear affinity with any of their immediate family ethnicities, which can be quite mixed. Not being able to converse with your grandparents or parents in their native language definitely is a delineator. That loss of language continuity also means that the culture of their parents or grandparents is inaccessible in any meaningful way, and of course that culture is just not visible in any movies, TV shows or magazines they may access.
As an example, someone who's parents (or grandparents) arrived as refugees from Estonia or Lithuania after WW2, would have little to zero chance of remaining connected to that culture (People from the Baltic states were one of the first refugee groups to arrive in Australia after WW2). Contrast that to someone whose great grandparents arrived from Ireland or the UK.
In terms of census definitions and guidance, predominantly WASP Americans would certainly fit the profile of "English" ethnicity if they were Australian.
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In terms of the census definitions, I've heard Australians whose family goes way back in Australia refer to their ethnicity as English or Irish. Similarly first generation born in Australia often describe themselves as "Australian" because there is no clear affinity with any of their immediate family ethnicities, which can be quite mixed. Not being able to converse with your grandparents or parents in their native language definitely is a delineator. That loss of language continuity also means that the culture of their parents or grandparents is inaccessible in any meaningful way, and of course that culture is just not visible in any movies, TV shows or magazines they may access.
As an example, someone who's parents (or grandparents) arrived as refugees from Estonia or Lithuania after WW2, would have little to zero chance of remaining connected to that culture (People from the Baltic states were one of the first refugee groups to arrive in Australia after WW2). Contrast that to someone whose great grandparents arrived from Ireland or the UK.
In terms of census definitions and guidance, predominantly WASP Americans would certainly fit the profile of "English" ethnicity if they were Australian.
I did that with my kids on the last census, they have a Korean mum, English born Grandma (my mum) and German born Great Grandma (dads mum). They look like white aussies (with a nice natural tan) speak a bit of Korean and not a word of German.
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