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European Union 119 45.25%
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Old 05-04-2013, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Chicago(Northside)
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9 of the top 15 countries by life expectancy are European, USA is number 40.

Intentional homicide rate is almost 4 times higher in the USA than in Western, Northern and Southern Europe.
Actually per capita america has a lower crime rate than many countries like the UK and such. Anyway if you include the whole country yes america is far behind in life expectancy, now if your looking at cities we beat almost every city in Europe for life expectancy anyway we supposedly have such a bad healthcare.Look through these cities, they have higher life expectancy than any country in europe but than again its weird to compare cities with countries.
Longest-Living Cities - The Daily Beast
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Old 05-04-2013, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Only the state of California offers more diversity in terms of climate, landscape/scenery, culture and others than all of EU combined despite being the size of Sweden in area.
You're so full of crap. Almost everything you have originates from us. Without Europeans there would never been the United States of America. Europe had cities, universities, cathedrals, monasteries and compex societies hundreds of years before even the freakin' wheel was known in California. When was California admitted to the union? 1850? Lol! That was yesterday! Europe has thousands of years of written history! The oldest European written text is 3500 years old!

The culture of California? What? The porn valley? The Beach Boys? Valleyspeak? Lol.
How about liberalism, conservatism, banking, English, protestantism, reformation, counter-reformation, rationalism, the Enlightment, free market, free speech, freedom of religion, the printing press, parlamentarism, democracy, the assault rifle, railroad, idealism, positivism, pragmatism, realism, modernism, existentialism, feminism, women's suffrage, logical postitivism, psychoanalysis, scientific method... all that and much other things was invented in Europe by Europeans. You have John Steinbeck, fake boobs and surfing.

Even your beloved constitution is based on European ideas and put together by Europeans. Once again, the US is the child of Europe. Without Europe you would still live in Pueblo villages. Nothing against Native American cultures, i find them fascinating. But there is not much of it in the modern society of California. It's so thoroughly European.

And that climate/scenery thing. You know nothing. Do you think the climate of LA can't be found in Europe? And where in Cali do you have a subarctic taiga forest or a medieval castle. Europe has except Death Valley everything California has. And how many wolves and reindeer are there in California?

Has Cali this?


Or this?


Or this?


Or this?


This is also from Europe:


Where in the US can you find this?


No skyscrapers in Europe? Paris:


Moscow:


This is from France:


Croatia, Split:


Spain, Valencia:


Find me something like this in California:


Sierra Nevada is not the only mountain range in the world:


Your ignorance is shocking. Europe is at least as diverse as the US.


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Old 05-04-2013, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Chicago(Northside)
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Do you know Europe is a continent and not a country?


1.You don't have to live in the Balkans, half of the European countries have a lower unemployment rate than the USA.

2.http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/05/su...cans.html?_r=0

3.Depends on country.

4.LOL, 8 of the 11 countries that recognize same-sex marriage are EUROPEAN, the first one to do it "the Netherlands" is a European country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_r...y_or_territory
Same-sex ACTIVITY legal nationwide in the USA only since 2003, in some European countries already legal for over 200 years.

5.It can make life more easy but you don't NEED to learn another language if you can speak English.

6.Most households i know own 2 cars.

7.Maybe in Moldova.

8.One of the reasons American tourists want to come here.

9.Most Europeans are not cold, they are just overconsidered, afraid to disrespect.

10.Depends on the European country, don't see the problem, most countries with a high rate of atheism have the highest quality of life + GDP per capita and lowest crime rate.
btw you said "Less Freedom" in Europe, now you say the US is more religious, how does that work?

USA doesn't have London, Paris, Rome, Milan, Florence, Venice, Barcelona, Madrid, Berlin, Hamburg, Munich, Frankfurt, Budapest, Bucharest, Athens, Istanbul, Kiev, Warsaw, Krakow, Vienna, Prague, Lisbon, Stockholm, Copenhagen, Belgrade, Amsterdam, Brussels, Monaco etc. etc.

USA is only closer to the rest of Americas and some islands in the Pacific Ocean, Europe is closer to the rest of the WORLD!
Most of your facts are wrong, america has a lower unemployment than most european countries. America unemployment rate is 7.5 which is lower than United Kingdom, Ireland, France, Portugal, Spain, Italy, Sweden, Finland, Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Greece, Croatia, Bulgaria, Hungary, Ukraine, Slovakia, Slovenia, Montenegro, Albania, Denmark... This is about 85% of the countries in Europe. Also there are many states that have legalized gay marriage unlike Europe america has states in which we give some rules too. Also america has a alpha++ city (and London)and we have the most alpaha cities in the world...New York city, Chicago, Los Angeles, San Franciso, DC, Miami, Dallas, Atlanta, Boston, Philadelphia and we have the most Beta and gamma cities too and for the post above me, i love your pictures but i seriously hate it when people put 10 million pictures up and clogs the whole thread especially if you have a crappy computer!
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Old 05-04-2013, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Scotland
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Beautiful pictures Ariete
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Old 05-04-2013, 09:49 AM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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Depends on the person.

For me i'll stay in the USA
love the culture, lifestyle, cities, landscapes, diversity, wide open spaces.
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Old 05-04-2013, 09:52 AM
 
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What you are showing here Ariete with these photos is "Potemkin village Europe" : beautiful, picturesquplaces mostly for tourists (you add the CBD of Paris and Moscow, fine, USA citues have no CBDs, what's your point?). Behind the glorious but artificial façade lies an EU with growing economic and social problems which is (and will be for a long time) stagnating economically . Elitist culture is not everything. It's true that museums in most Europe are free for people on the dole LOL
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Old 05-04-2013, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Finland
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What you are showing here Ariete with these photos is "Potemkin village Europe" : beautiful, picturesquplaces mostly for tourists (you add the CBD of Paris and Moscow, fine, USA citues have no CBDs, what's your point?). Behind the glorious but artificial façade lies an EU with growing economic and social problems which is (and will be for a long time) stagnating economically . Elitist culture is not everything. It's true that museums in most Europe are free for people on the dole LOL
Of course i'm showing nice pictures from Europe, as he claims California is something uniquely stunning. Why should I show pictures of the banlieues of Paris when he doesn't show pics of Detroit?

Cities like Valencia, Nice and Venice are places where people live and work every day. They are not Potemkin villages. Millions of people have worshipped in the Cologne Cathedral. It's not a façade.

The social problems in Europe varies a lot from country to country. My country had 94 homicides last year, out of a population of 5,4 million. Newark, NJ had 90 homicides in 2011, and that city has less than 300,000 inhabitants.
My city has probably less homeless people than a single American urban area with 300,000 inhabitants.

Here's the castle in my city:


Maybe not much to look at, but has more history and culture than any place in America from the 13th century.
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Old 05-04-2013, 10:47 AM
 
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I'm an American who lived in Europe for almost 3 years. I speak four languages and read Le Monde, Der Spiegel and El País daily (no, not in English). On balance, I still prefer America though I do love Europe. It's really hilarious for posters here to compare (and show pictures of) the most dazzling "theme park" photos of Europe and say, "This is Europe." Yet they don't acknowledge that the US is a country of 315 million people with quite a lot of beautiful cities, stunning countryside, polite people and (along with Australia) the best food in the English-speaking world. I have met many Europeans who would move to New York or San Francisco tomorrow if they could find a decent job (and legal residency). They'd leave Paris, Rome, London and Prague in a heartbeat.

Life expectancy is lower in the US, but it is still about the same as Denmark and Portugal (not third-world countries in the least) and far ahead of the eastern European Union, Russia and Ukraine. America's Human Development Index, a quality-of-life index from the UN, is no. 3 in the world; after adjustment for inequalities the US falls to no. 16 -- still two places before France (no. 18), and the French love to brag about their superior quality of life. Yes, Europe is great. But so is the USA, a young country when you compare France's and Italy's and Britain's 1,000-year histories. We do very well for 400.
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Old 05-04-2013, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Chicago(Northside)
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I'm an American who lived in Europe for almost 3 years. I speak four languages and read Le Monde, Der Spiegel and El País daily (no, not in English). On balance, I still prefer America though I do love Europe. It's really hilarious for posters here to compare (and show pictures of) the most dazzling "theme park" photos of Europe and say, "This is Europe." Yet they don't acknowledge that the US is a country of 315 million people with quite a lot of beautiful cities, stunning countryside, polite people and (along with Australia) the best food in the English-speaking world. I have met many Europeans who would move to New York or San Francisco tomorrow if they could find a decent job (and legal residency). They'd leave Paris, Rome, London and Prague in a heartbeat.

Life expectancy is lower in the US, but it is still about the same as Denmark and Portugal (not third-world countries in the least) and far ahead of eastern Europe, Russia and Ukraine. America's Human Development Index, a quality-of-life index from the UN, is no. 3 in the world; after adjustment for inequalities the US falls to no. 16 -- still two places before France (no. 18), and the French love to brag about their superior quality of life. Yes, Europe is great. But so is the USA, a young country when you compare France's and Italy's and Britain's 1,000-year histories. We do very well for 400.
NYC has a higher life expectancy than most of europe.
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Old 05-04-2013, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands
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1.Most of your facts are wrong, america has a lower unemployment than most european countries. America unemployment rate is 7.5 which is lower than United Kingdom, Ireland, France, Portugal, Spain, Italy, Sweden, Finland, Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Greece, Croatia, Bulgaria, Hungary, Ukraine, Slovakia, Slovenia, Montenegro, Albania, Denmark... This is about 85% of the countries in Europe.

2.Also there are many states that have legalized gay marriage unlike Europe america has states in which we give some rules too.

3.We have the most alpaha cities in the world...New York city, Chicago, Los Angeles, San Franciso, DC, Miami, Dallas, Atlanta, Boston, Philadelphia and we have the most Beta and gamma cities too


1.How can they be wrong if they are FACTS? Croatia, Montenegro, Albania and Ukraine don't have EU membership.


2.Only 10 out of 50 States + DC recognize same-sex marriage , the Northeast and Westcoast is pretty tolerant but everything in between is mostly anti-gay.


3.European Alpha Cities: London, Paris, Milan, Madrid, Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Brussels, Dublin, Munich, Warsaw, Vienna, Barcelona, Lisbon. That's 13, 3 more than the USA.

European Beta Cities: Dusseldorf, Stockholm, Prague, Rome, Hamburg, Berlin, Athens, Copenhagen, Budapest, Luxembourg, Bucharest, Manchester, Birmingham, Bratislava, Stuttgart, Cologne, Helsinki. That's 17, 9 more than the USA (Houston, Seattle, Minneapolis, Detroit, Denver, St.Louis, San Diego, Cleveland)

European Gamma Cities: Glasgow, Bristol, Antwerp, Edinburgh, Riga, Valencia, Lyon, Leeds, Vilnius, Rotterdam, Tallinn, Porto, Gothenburg, Marseille, Ljubljana, Turin, Southampton. That's 17, 2 more than the USA (Cincinnati, Charlotte, Baltimore, Portland, San Jose, Kansas City, Phoenix, Tampa, Columbus, Indianapolis, Pittsburgh, Orlando, Richmond, Austin, Milwaukee).
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