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View Poll Results: EU or USA
European Union 119 45.25%
USA 144 54.75%
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Old 10-31-2013, 11:12 PM
 
Location: Seoul
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If Russia would just join the EU I would move into one of those countries in a heartbeat. Nothing against the states, but the only good places here are the Northeast cities, the West Coast cities, and Colorado. Everything else is fly-over county

 
Old 10-31-2013, 11:42 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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If Russia would just join the EU I would move into one of those countries in a heartbeat. Nothing against the states, but the only good places here are the Northeast cities, the West Coast cities, and Colorado. Everything else is fly-over county
and chicago
 
Old 11-01-2013, 12:05 AM
 
Location: Westminster, London
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Then, what is your objection to the "currently en vogue secular world view" as opposed to your cherished "system of basic beliefs we internalise through social exposure from early childhood" in the traditional non-secular world view?

You seem to be arguing that one proposition is true and the other is false, citing as proof properties that are common to both.
Secular beliefs are currently fraught with problems at the level of higher academic discourse; a trend that appears to be common to both the USA and UK, though I can't speak for non-Anglosphere Europe.

In particular, secular beliefs that encompass the theories of knowledge (naturalised epistemology) have now been categorically rejected as internally incoherent and irrational; in some cases recognised to be harmful to the very foundations of reason and science. Even AJ Ayer, once a pivotal proponent of these ideas, later stated, "nearly all of it [...] was false".

You may be familiar with statements that are derived from these ideas, such as: "physical evidence is the only way to know", "we should only believe those things that are verifiable through evidence", "any knowledge that is unfalsifiable should be rejected", "metaphysics is meaningless", "all ethics is subjective", and so on.

These are no longer tenable ideas, yet this type of strict evidentialism is still espoused as the height of wisdom at the 'popular science' level of discourse, or for anyone exposed to non-specialty higher education. This video is a good example of this residual mindset.

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Old 11-01-2013, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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According to the Tea Party the USA is just a compact agreement among 50 different countries. No different than the EU.
Aside from a few conspicuous points like commonality of language and abolition of royalty and a unifying constitution that guarantees unrestricted interstate commerce.. The Tea Party, you might have noticed, does not always speak for Americans as a whole. The Tea Party lives in a bizarro world where some days there is a rigid and unambiguous Constitution and some days there is no Constitution at all.
 
Old 11-01-2013, 08:21 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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Probably the U.S.

P.S.: This isn't my only reason for this, but I am partially ethnically Jewish.
 
Old 11-02-2013, 02:37 AM
 
Location: England
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The EU for me. There's much less chance of being shot dead in a school, church, cinema, workplace and just yesterday, the airport.
And much less chance of EU governments being held hostage by a handful of extreme right wing fundamentalist Christian nutcases.
 
Old 11-02-2013, 04:17 AM
 
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You're much more likely to die from accidental injuries (1:1600) rather than from assault by firearm (1:25000) in the USA (H/T the economist). Much less if you don't deliberately embed yourself into criminal activity.

The EU governments are hardly in better shape given that they're already held hostage by a bunch of unelected incompetent socialist bureaucratic nutcases.
 
Old 11-02-2013, 04:20 AM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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You're much more likely to die from accidental injuries (1:1600) rather than from assault by firearm (1:25000) in the USA (H/T the economist). Much less if you don't deliberately embed yourself into criminal activity.

The EU governments are hardly in better shape given that they're already held hostage by a bunch of unelected socialist bureaucrats.
Man, yeah. Life in Austria sucks big time. Damn socialists
 
Old 11-02-2013, 04:22 AM
 
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Man, yeah. Life in Austria sucks big time. Damn socialists
So austria is not a part of the eurozone/eu?
 
Old 11-02-2013, 04:35 AM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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So austria is not a part of the eurozone/eu?
We are and boy... Everything is going down the drain. Today I couldn't use the ox cart to my Marxism 101 lecture at the Vienna State University, because the dirt track was flooded. I'm fed up with all this... 70 years of Socialism is enough.
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