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Old 05-25-2013, 09:21 PM
 
Location: EU
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I noticed the dating stuff works quite much the same between men and women anywhere in the anglosphere and you can trow the brits right in there, which I find quite different in continental european countries.
As I understand (American) dating means that a person is testing possible partners whether they fit, and that it is possible to date several people basically at the same time, which is actually not what most people in the rest of Europe do. Normally here they concentrate on one potential partner and if that partner does not work out they might move on to the next one.

So American dating, as I understand it, to me sounds a bit like cheating.

Have the British people moved to this kind of dating? Almost 30 years ago when I met my English wife this was not the case and most people did not used the word "dating". But my experience is limited...
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Old 05-26-2013, 05:06 AM
 
Location: North West Northern Ireland.
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Why is it relevant if I have immigrant heritage or not? The only thing that is culturally binding between the UK and the US is language, and a few aspects of government & law. That is it.

The relationship between British and American people is constantly overstated by people on both sides and I don't see many similarities - our attitudes are different on most matters and are closer to that of mainland Europeans, such as the Dutch and the Germans, especially regarding homosexuality, same-sex marriage, attitudes towards socialised health care, public transport, our cities look and feel more like mainland European cities - they have similar densities, and are less car-centric with more widespread metro systems and, in many instances, very similar styles of architecture. We seem to have adopted similar unhealthy habits to the US, but not excessively so, and our obesity levels are not obscene and are closer to Germany - besides, some of our best-known foods are not actually British, such as fish and chips (Belgian IIRC), and Germany and the Netherlands both have reputations for having food that isn't exactly savoury - kind of like us.

Throughout the course of history, our shores have been influenced by mainlaind Europeans, whether it's the Vikings, the Saxons, or the Normans. Our language is influenced by French. Our infrastructure was originally developed by the Romans. Our oldest ally is Portugal. We have a monarchy - something Americans can't understand and think is completely out of date, something the Dutch or Swedes would vehemently disagree with.

It's about time people in the UK stopped thinking that we're unique within Europe or completely different to everyone else, or that we're somehow more closely linked to the US, and realised that we're European, and we are more like Germany or the Netherlands than the US in almost everything. There is nothing special about us, and this bizarre fixaiton on a country thousands of miles away needs to stop, the one thing that most influences what happens here is the EU, and that is without doubt.

As for nearly everybody having relatives in the US - maybe for Ireland, but not for here.
Well culture to me is about the people not the buildings because without the people culture would not exist.

Obviously the buildings aren't the same, america is 3000 miles away for god sake. However, in looking at european buildings I'd say ours are still quite different I mean look at this:

Google Maps

coleraine - Google Maps

As you can see there is quite a difference.

I disagree about the number of brits with american relatives.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_American
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_American
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_American (tons more than scottish population)

I think you gotta except our position and see that we are different to mainland europeans. They are on the same land mass and their cultures are intermixed, ours aren't.

On sky we have over 150 American television channels. Lets see how many Spanish channels we have. NONE.
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Old 05-26-2013, 05:23 AM
 
Location: North West Northern Ireland.
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So did all other Europeans. For example, most Germans went to America in the 19th century, between 1821 and 1912 roughly 5.5 million Germans went to America. All of them became Americans, and today there are no special ties any more between Germans and Americans of German descent, just as there aren't any to Northern Ireland. Some Americans might be proud to be of German or NI heritage and visit Germany or NI, but that's it. Get over it.

And when you go on holidays like Florida, Spain, Italy, and this year Portugal, don't waste your time in front of the TV, but get out and get some culture.

Maybe you should convince your father to go on holidays to Germanic Europe, such as Holland (sorry Linda), Germany, Sweden etc. so that you can find some similarities.
The combined total of americans with British isles ancestry is:

Scotch Irish Americans = 3.5 million
Irish Americans= 36.3 million
English Americans= 26 million
Scottish Americans = 25 million
Welsh Americans = 1.9million

=92.7 million. Yea I sincerely doubt any european nationality will beat that.

I'll have you there are loads of ties between America and Northern Ireland and UK.

1. We have a daily flight from my local airport to EWR, it is packed every time.
There are about 10 to 15 regional airports in the UK with service to the USA.
Only 5 airports from Germany with american services.
2. The number of americans who visited the UK in 2012 was 2.9 million, the number of americans who visited Ireland in 2012 was 870,000.
Countries American Visit Most

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Heathrow_Airport
Over 12 million transited from USA through heathrow airport last year. NYC to Heathrow is the worlds international busiest air link. Now look at all that and say there isn't a link between here and america.

And no I will not get over it.
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Old 05-26-2013, 05:32 AM
 
Location: North West Northern Ireland.
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I beg to disagree, the UK nowadays is way closer to the US than Its to mainlaind europe culturally and mentally wise. The architecture is obviously still more related to the rest of europe.

I've always felt that both UK and Ireland have been the outliers of europe and they seem to get better with other anglospheric people, dutch and german people are way more direct, honest and forward in acting, typical germanic. The british seem to be more into the typical "polite" attitude where you can never say things straight up even if they are true, similar to american and canadian culturee. Continental europeans are much more regional thinking.

Germany only have 13% of obesity, meanwhile the UK stands at 24,5% and the US at 34%, which means the Uk is slighty closer to the American side.
Thats what I see. If I was in a room with americans and Europeans i'd go straight to the Americans. Europeans do not interest me in the slightest. For one there'd be nothing we could talk about. I mean in all honesty I could not give two cruds about countries like the Ukraine, Romania or Greece.
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Old 05-26-2013, 05:34 AM
 
Location: North West Northern Ireland.
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Of course we are foreigners, and so are Americans to you, or aren't they? Most of "us Europeans" do still consider our neighbours as foreigners.

What is different in other parts of Europe is mainly the language. You obviously don't speak Spanish sufficiently to follow Spanish TV as otherwise you would realise that the whole of Europe basically watches the same TV, that is American movies, American soaps and American shows or localised copies of these shows, interspersed with news, sports programmes and some real local productions or movies.

And what about Lidl? Yes, it's a different shop system, without frills, but cheap. You will get used to it as well, just as we got used to Walmart in Germany for some years. As far as I know Walmart in the UK bought ASDA but didn't change its name to Walmart, maybe they didn't want to expose the British to a culture shock?
Actually I do not consider americans or any other anglo-phone post colonial country to be as foreign as Europeans.
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Old 05-26-2013, 06:07 AM
 
Location: Paris
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I think you gotta except our position and see that we are different to mainland europeans. They are on the same land mass and their cultures are intermixed, ours aren't.
So if I understand you well, Norway and Portugal, for example, are culturally closer than the UK and Netherlands?
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Old 05-26-2013, 06:50 AM
 
Location: the dairyland
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Thats what I see. If I was in a room with americans and Europeans i'd go straight to the Americans. Europeans do not interest me in the slightest. For one there'd be nothing we could talk about. I mean in all honesty I could not give two cruds about countries like the Ukraine, Romania or Greece.
And what would you talk about with the Americans? How similar your nations are? I bet you'll get a lot of laughter, perhaps they would even find your accent 'cute'.
Maybe I should quote a friend of mine (American) who went to Europe with me after we graduated college. When we were in the UK she said something like "Oh my god, what they speak kind of sounds like my language but I don't understand a WORD. The people, everything is so different". Interestingly, she felt much more at ease in Belgium, the Netherlands or Germany.
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Old 05-26-2013, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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Well culture to me is about the people not the buildings because without the people culture would not exist.

Obviously the buildings aren't the same, america is 3000 miles away for god sake. However, in looking at european buildings I'd say ours are still quite different I mean look at this:

Google Maps

coleraine - Google Maps

As you can see there is quite a difference.

I disagree about the number of brits with american relatives.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_American
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_American
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_American (tons more than scottish population)

I think you gotta except our position and see that we are different to mainland europeans. They are on the same land mass and their cultures are intermixed, ours aren't.

On sky we have over 150 American television channels. Lets see how many Spanish channels we have. NONE.
One, that's a bitty little town in Northern Ireland - it proves nothing and your point is moot. Secondly, showing a few examples of 'English Americans' or 'Scottish Americans' proves absolutely nothing - there are tons of Americans with German ancestry - in fact, most Americans have German ancestry. Again, what is your point? Thirdly - all developed, first-world countries are dominated by American channels and TV shows, if anything the UK is probably less dominated by American media and entertainment than other European countries.

And last, but not least, even though I agree that the Saxon and Viking ancestry in Britain is overrated, it is still undeniable proof that throughout history, we have been invaded, conquered and influenced by continental Europeans more than anyone else. Nobody at any point said that there isn't a link between the UK and the US, considering we're very close politically, and as a result we have been influenced by the US a lot more in recent times, but culturally speaking, we're more similar to continental Europe, with an American twang in certain aspects.

Oh, and a PS - open your mind a little! There is an entire continent on your doorstep with one of the most intriguing and complex histories in the world, with some of the most cosmopolitan, beautiful and bustling cities and breathtakingly beautiful scenery, ranging from the snowy Apls to the Mediterranean coast. Spain is more than just a place to go on holiday - if you actually bothered to explore the country and its cultural offerings rather than going there, lounging on the beach and watching TV in your hotel room in some tacky resort or isolated villa, you would actually see that. Try Madrid or Barcelona for starters - they're far more interesting than sunbathing all day.

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Old 05-26-2013, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Thirdly - all developed, first-world countries are dominated by American channels and TV shows, if anything the UK is probably less dominated by American media and entertainment than other European countries.
In Japan, no.
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Old 05-26-2013, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Gorgeous Scotland
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The combined total of americans with British isles ancestry is:

Scotch Irish Americans = 3.5 million
Irish Americans= 36.3 million
English Americans= 26 million
Scottish Americans = 25 million
Welsh Americans = 1.9million

So what? So they (and I) have some genes from ancestors in the UK. That has nothing to do with culture. You don't inherit a knowledge of a 'culture'.

And, BTW, Scotch is a drink. Scotch Irish is an American invention meaning something completely different to how it is used by most Americans.
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