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Old 09-29-2014, 09:03 AM
 
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This is still pretty interesting. Are there any good academic papers comparing the trajectories these two countries went on? The article about military coups is interesting--does the military in Argentina to this day still maintain a large measure of autonomy from the rest of the government? This is especially interesting to note given what's happened in Egypt recently as well as sort of vague threats and cheers in regards to Turkey's military.


There was no military coup in Spain, but a military "pronunciamiento" followed by a Civil War that changed the country entirely. No comparison whatsoever. In Spain, half the country ripped the other and it was more of a "revolution" that pacified Spain.

As "reds" used to say.."the peace of the graveyards"...but peace after all for the first time in more than a century.

The Spain that emerged after the war was a different country. The Francoist Gov't was autarchic, militaristic,.and Spain became a Military Headquarter. Corruption was not generalized, only at a very high levels.

The comparison between the two countries is senseless, since history and trajectory are entirely different.

When Franco was about to die he said...."the most important thing I have made for Spain is creating a middle class". Franco believed that every Spanish had to own an apartment, a car, a tv set and a washing machine...so that people would not be forced to kill each other for a donkey.

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Old 09-29-2014, 09:14 AM
 
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In the early 20th Century, Argentina was one of the world's richest countries. By 1913, it was the 10th wealthiest countries per capita.

Juntas and the kind of populist politics espoused by the Perons and Fernandez pretty much have destroyed the Argentine economy.

This should be an object lesson to anyone who finds populist politics in the United States to be alluring.
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Old 09-29-2014, 09:24 AM
 
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Right...plus Spain is in Europe...everybody is very similar, a very cohesive society leaving aside regional strife and folklorism existing during the last 500 years.

In Argentina you have Bonaerense middle and rich class and the "plebs" that are entirely different, just like two countries. The twain shall not meet.

In Spain, maybe the civil war purged a lot of bad blood.

That's why countries that according to Argentinians are a pack of "Indians", such as Chile, Peru, Colombia and Mexico are doing better, more cohesive societies with better institutions, more serious people.

I have family in Argentina, and they are always complaining about corrupt politicians, "cabecitas"..and illegal immigrants from the Andes.

You have Cristina Kirchner, she's not honest to say the least, not very democratic but she is voted by the "plebs" because she gives them "bread".
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