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Old 05-20-2013, 08:18 PM
 
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I'm not talking about a person who wants to immigrate to another country for benefits. I mean a person who can afford to live where they wan't, and not eat up the welfare system. Obviously there are places where outsiders cannot go. But as a citizen of the world shouldn't you have a right to live where you wan't? I know life is not fair, but if you can afford it, shouldn't you have the right? No one asked to be born in their country of origin. Sorry if I come across arrogant, I don't mean to. Just wondering.
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Old 05-20-2013, 08:52 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Old 05-20-2013, 08:55 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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I'm with Ruth, what exactly are you asking?
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Old 05-20-2013, 10:07 PM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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There are already avenues which allow people to live in other countries. If you've got the qualifications or money it makes it easier. Are you asking whether those are fair or not?
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Old 05-20-2013, 11:20 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Is it an economic issue, or is this one of those "truths that we hold to be self-evident"? Since when does a fundamental human right depend on the economic interests of statehood, and may or may not be granted depending on whether it suits the interest of the local oligarchy?

As a philosophical principle, it is probably "self evident" that a person is born into a certain family, clan, community, culture, nation, and that entity has a certain claim to that person as being a part of the whole. Until fairly recent centuries, outsiders were not particularly welcomed anywhere.

Under current international law, it is pretty well recognized that if an outsider wishes to immigrate to any country, the country has a natural right of refusal, and usually does unless the nation anticipates that some benefit will accrue from the immigration of certain outsiders.

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if you can afford it, shouldn't you have the right?
Is it your view that everyone should have a "right" to do whatever they can afford to do, according to some metric of the person's value, and this right does not extend to those considered to be of lesser value? That is a textbook definition of Privilege, not Right.
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Old 05-20-2013, 11:50 PM
 
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I think jtur's answer was pretty good.

As an immigrant to a first world country, my answer is obvious. Given certain conditions are met, a person should have the right to visit or live in any place in the world. I just don't get the concept of nationality or citizenship. There is no country in the world I consider my home country. The flip side of that coin is that I am adaptable and feel reasonably at home in most places in the world. We look at the same sun and the same moon everwhere in the world. The world is my home - it's stupid to develop attachment to a passport.

I was a graduate student at a Canadian university, and I was one of very few students who was never sent to attend international conferences. Why? Because Canadian citizens have visa-free travel rights to many countries, including the U.S, Australia, Schengen zone and Mexico, among others. The department just didn't want the headache of getting paperwork done on my behalf, so I was passed over, all because I had the misfortune to be born in a third world country. How fair is that?
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Old 05-21-2013, 01:27 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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I think jtur's answer was pretty good.

As an immigrant to a first world country, my answer is obvious. Given certain conditions are met, a person should have the right to visit or live in any place in the world. I just don't get the concept of nationality or citizenship. There is no country in the world I consider my home country. The flip side of that coin is that I am adaptable and feel reasonably at home in most places in the world. We look at the same sun and the same moon everwhere in the world. The world is my home - it's stupid to develop attachment to a passport.

I was a graduate student at a Canadian university, and I was one of very few students who was never sent to attend international conferences. Why? Because Canadian citizens have visa-free travel rights to many countries, including the U.S, Australia, Schengen zone and Mexico, among others. The department just didn't want the headache of getting paperwork done on my behalf, so I was passed over, all because I had the misfortune to be born in a third world country. How fair is that?
Sorry for your misfotune, but developed countries are not responsible for your bad luck. Can Canadians travel to your home country without visa?
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Old 05-21-2013, 02:00 AM
 
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The median price of a Manhattan apartment is $820,555, up 5.9 percent from a year ago, according to appraisal firm Miller Samuel.

So while technology should theoretically allow us to take $800K and live in Ecuador where you could afford a mansion and servants, most of the wealthy are still paying outrageous sums of money to live in a few places.


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Speculation abounds about what the world's most expensive apartment will be sold for when it is completed in Monaco in July 2014. It will certainly blow away by several times the $117 million which was paid for the most expensive home sale on record in the USA.
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Old 05-21-2013, 05:14 AM
 
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For the most part, countries determine their immigration policy to attract people they desire, mostly people with certain education and skills or are capable of doing certain occupations. Also, they want to attract investors. Just because you have a college degree and a clean criminal record does not entitle you to stay forever in any country in the world. However, if you are rich with a spare 1 million USD cash and net worth most likely twice that, you can get residency in most countries as an investor.
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Old 05-21-2013, 06:15 AM
 
Location: EU
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Animals have more rights in this respect, rabbits or deers do not know any borders, they can, theoretically, freely move from Turkey to Portugal, or Canada to Panama.

So really, there should be a human right to settle anywhere we want. Man created state which does not allow this.
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