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View Poll Results: Which Country has the most fame in celebrities, movies, music?
UK 18 14.63%
America 92 74.80%
Australia 5 4.07%
Canada 8 6.50%
Voters: 123. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-01-2013, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Scotland
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Well they aren't to me. His music isn't all that good to me anyway but the child abuse is horrific and how anybody can talk about him in a good way is beyond me. And I wasn't talking about Linda.

 
Old 07-01-2013, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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UK has some very good artist but the majority of top selling music artist are Americans.

Elvis, Madonna, Michael Jackson, Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Eagles, Billy Joel, Aerosmith, Frank Sinatra, Barbra Steisand, Donna Summer, Neil Diamond, Bruce Springsteen, Taylor Swift, Metallica, Eminem, Britney Spears, Backstreet Boys, Bon Jovi, Guns N Roses, Prince, Kenny Rogers, Janet Jackson, Chicago, The Carpenters, Bob Dylan, Cher, Lionel Richie, Linda Ronstandt, Tina Turner, Stevie Wonder, The Beach Boys, Kiss, Barry White, etc....
According wiki (I know, I know ) The top selling artists of 250 million records of all time are in order

The Beatles U.K.
Elvis Presley U.S.
Michael Jackson U.S.
Madonna U.S.
Led Zeplin U.K.
Elton John U.K.
Pink Floyd U.K.

Of course you have to take into consideration how long someone performed etc. The list goes on with others who sell less than 250 million, but I wonder how fair it is to compare performers who lived in a time when people actually bought records and didn't " steal " them on downloads?
 
Old 07-01-2013, 04:14 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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According wiki (I know, I know ) The top selling artists of 250 million records of all time are in order

The Beatles U.K.
Elvis Presley U.S.
Michael Jackson U.S.
Madonna U.S.
Led Zeplin U.K.
Elton John U.K.
Pink Floyd U.K.

Of course you have to take into consideration how long someone performed etc. The list goes on with others who sell less than 250 million, but I wonder how fair it is to compare performers who lived in a time when people actually bought records and didn't " steal " them on downloads?
Now look at the whole list from 250 - 75 million records sold
 
Old 07-01-2013, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Scotland
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Fine well you can say the UK has the best per capita
 
Old 07-01-2013, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Now look at the whole list from 250 - 75 million records sold
Yes I did, but as I mentioned I wonder how valid sales are in relation to popularity. With millions of illegal downloads, these lists may lose their value.
 
Old 07-01-2013, 04:41 PM
 
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...The OP has designed a very strange poll. Why aren't all the European countries listed, if he's comparing Europe and North America? If it's about comparing developed countries, why was Japan left out? Aspects of Japan's entertainment industry have been successful in penetrating the American market. Perhaps the OP's omission of Japan was intentional...?
The title of the thread as well as the content of the OP don't suggest that the poll has any real relation to the thread.
 
Old 07-01-2013, 05:16 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Well they aren't to me. His music isn't all that good to me anyway but the child abuse is horrific and how anybody can talk about him in a good way is beyond me. And I wasn't talking about Linda.
Well that's a matter of opinion and based on his album sales, I believe the top 5 selling songs in German history are all his, a lot of people disagree with you.

And I didn't say YOU were talking about Linda, I just said she made good points.
 
Old 07-01-2013, 05:31 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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You're blinded because youre a 'fan' its because of 'blinkered' people like you he got away with the things he did - the simple fact is that if any 'Joe in the street' behaved the way he did they would have been lynched, he OBVIOUSLY had mental problems and because of the person he was he never had the proper help he needed.
No, I have actually read all the court transcripts, the FBI files, whatever factual documents there are. That's how I know he was innocent. You go by what you have read in the media, which is a complete travesty of the truth. The only one blinded here is you, and others who are willing to believe the worst about someone based on mere allegations and innuendo. I repeat, there is not a shred of evidence to suggest that MJ had a sexual interest in children, no matter how much the media insist there is. The FBI has investigated this man for over a decade and found nothing. Investigators went through all his books (tens of thousands of them) and all his computers (16, 4 of which were in his bedroom) and found no child pornographic material whatsoever. They traveled all over the world trying to find victims, they set up a 24/7 hotline, they tried to coerce children into saying MJ molested them, and still they have nothing. Look into the families who made the allegations against MJ and their motives become instantly clear. It was extortion, plain and simple. I've never heard of a pedophile who is not interested in child porn but owns an extensive collection of adult heterosexual porn, who has access to thousands upon thousands of children but only molests one every decade, and whose accusers are so obviously motivated by money rather than justice.

I know some of this may surprise you. Didn't the media swear MJ owned child porn? Didn't the media "reveal" just recently that the FBI has known for over a decade that MJ bought off dozens of kids he molested? That last story is spreading like wildfire now. It's a prime example of how the media blatantly lies and manipulates. The FBI released its files on MJ years ago (see: FBI) and they completely exonerated MJ. The documents that are currently touted as "FBI files" are actually interviews compiled by a tabloid journalist who paid his sources. These documents were acquired by a PI, who was later prosecuted for tapping phones and all of his files (of which these tabloid interviews formed a minuscule part) were seized by the FBI. Nothing in these documents is new information and all of it was discredited years ago (some even two decades ago). It doesn't matter though, the damage is done. People read "FBI files" and assume it must be official documents proving MJ was a child molester (after all, that's what the headlines imply). You'd have to wonder why the FBI never bothered to hand all this "evidence" over to the prosecution in 2005 What follows is other media outlets copy-pasting the article without doing any fact-checking and voila, it becomes a "known fact" that the FBI proved MJ bought off dozens of boys and if you disagree, you're just a blinded fan. It's interesting how AEG-sponsored tabloids like The Mirror come up with all these slandering articles right when AEG is in the middle of a $10 billion lawsuit with MJ's mother and children. It's also interesting how they remove any comments that show their lies and even shut down the entire comments section when people call them out. But hey, I'm sure the media have no bias at all when it comes to MJ, it's the fans who are blinded
 
Old 07-01-2013, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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how was I the one deflecting from the subject lol? I am well aware that the term American often refers to citizens of the U.S.. I was merely stating that it is silly because the names of two continents and two substantive geographical areas are part of the Americas and the U.S represents less than 1/3 of the total number of residents in the Americas.. I'm not attacking Americans because of this other than to state why I think its is a source for confusion. Do you always fight over the smallest things?

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You are really special. I was being facetious Facetious | What is the Definition of Facetious? | Dictionary.com
As for the second bold part, take your own advice.

Oh and your deflecting from the original subject (American and how it's used) hasn't gone unnoticed.

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Old 07-01-2013, 06:18 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Well they aren't to me. His music isn't all that good to me anyway but the child abuse is horrific and how anybody can talk about him in a good way is beyond me. And I wasn't talking about Linda.
The child abuse never happened. People need to learn to distinguish allegation from fact. Do you honestly think I would defend a man who abused children just because I like his music? How many of you who believe MJ was guilty have actually read the court transcripts and FBI files for yourself? If you're relying on what the media told you about the case, who's really the blind one? I strongly encourage anyone to read this article because it describes exactly how the media misrepresented the Michael Jackson trial:

One of the Most Shameful Episodes in Journalistic History

People don't know half of what really happened. The prosecution got away with falsifying evidence, publicly humiliating MJ for no reason (e.g. by displaying his perfectly legal porn collection on big screens for hours in front of his elderly mother, even though it had no relevance to the case), going WAY beyond what they were authorised to do when they raided Neverland, trying to coerce and manipulate children into saying they were molested by MJ, etc. It was a gross abuse of power. This was the personal vendetta of a DA (Tom Sneddon) who was desperate to bring down the most famous man in the world, whatever it took.

Like I said, the information is out there. If you think I'm "blinded", look up the facts of this case for yourself by going straight to the source. You'll see that everything I say is in fact true.

Michael Jackson was probably the most sued man in the history of the world. People try to get money out of him with the most bizarre allegations. There are a ton of Billie Jeans out there who claim they were married to MJ and he's the father of their children. There are people who claim they wrote all of MJ's songs, even those that were released when they were still in diapers. There are people who claim MJ sexually abused them when they've never even met MJ. The people who go by the cliche "where there's smoke, there's fire", I'm sure you believe these allegations as well?
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