World's Most Decadent Nations (homes, luxury, income)

Originally Posted by Bernie20

There would be a difference between the world's most decadent nations and the world's most corrupt nations.

Decadent is just being self indulgent.

Yes, I agree with you. There is a noticeable difference between most decadent countries vs. most corrupt countries, and needing to use another set of criteria for the most decadent countries.

In retrospect, I now realize the term decadent/decadence has much more negative connotations in meaning compared to something positive. However, some of characteristics in decadence does not really seem to be particularly bad all the time, and being multi-dimensional in life. “Luxurious self-indulgence” is able to be very beneficial, and pleasant for people if taken into moderation, and not extreme amounts for someone’s lifestyle.

Based on your view of decadence, what do you believe are the top 10 most decadent nations? Are USA, China, UAE, France, Italy in your top 10?

[jtur88]

Originally Posted by Oleg Bach

Lets look at the word decadence - take it apart it is de- cadence...Cadence is something very orderly it is precise measurement of a beat...a consistent and orderly rythm. To be in cadence is to dance perfectly...to be in de- cadence is to stumble about...dancing out of time..to be clumsy. Which is the most clumsy nation might be a good question...who is the most awkward?

Very funny. Just in case anybody believes you, it really comes directly from the same root as "decay", as those of you familiar with a dictionary might have already looked up.


dec·a·dence
noun
1.
the act or process of falling into an inferior condition or state; deterioration; decay:

[brabham12]

Originally Posted by

In modern times, plenty of people in France, Netherlands, Belgium, Switzerland, Austria, Spain, Italy, Czech Republic, Germany, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, and Argentina usually speak much better, more sophisticated, expressive forms of English compared to a significant percentage of people in UK. It is their 2nd or 3rd language, not even their native language, and they speak even better English! In their native language, they probably speak and write even better, and is especially impressive to me.

The other countries have significant numbers of decent English speakers, however, most people in France, Spain, Italy and Argentina speak no English at all. In Spain you generally must speak Spanish to have an authentic and emotional conversation. The French and Italians are among the worst English speakers in Europe:

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Originally Posted by

I noticed a significant percentage of British people in UK/England/Scotland/Wales/Northern Island don’t speak English, their native language well, and this is just completely unbelievable, not expected, and unprecedented those people have lost their proficiency in native language. They don’t have any excuses and usually don’t even know other languages to justify the lack of being well spoken for whatever they say to people.

This is also applicable to the US, Canada, Australia, Ireland and New Zealand, so why are you applying it to the UK in solidarity? People here see no reason to learn a foreign language because English is so widely spoken, which is exactly the case in ALL anglophone countries, and probably MORE SO than the UK. And for what it's worth, a large percentage of the UK can at least talk in French sentences.



Between 5% and 9% can also speak some German, similar to France.



While between 4% and 8% can speak some Spanish:



For such a large country, which essentially exported the 'global language' of today, that isn't too bad. Clearly plenty of people here bother to learn a second language, even if they don't need to. No doubt if French was the global language, then the majority here would be able to speak it very well, probably better than their French counterparts.

Originally Posted by

The UK is not nearly that bad of a dystopian nightmare. It’s decent based in some things for life.

Despite this, the UK declined in modern times compared to the golden days many years ago in historic times when UK/England really was on top of the world in cultural class, an empire, and being the role model for the entire world.

In modern times, not anymore! There is certainly less class in UK, at least based on consistent stable cultural image for cultural decadence. There is more of an obvious low class side to England, and a nation experiencing more paradoxical near contradictory events happening there.

The UK didn't 'decline' in absolute terms. It just declined in RELATIVE terms as it lost its spot as the world's 'number one' country. The UK today is far wealthier and more developed than it has ever been at any point, and the gap between rich and poor is at its lowest EVER. The UK has prospered and is a considerably better place to live now than it has ever been at any point in history. It has not declined in any way, shape or form - the quality of life here continues to improve.

[danielsa1775]

No Idea why Australia is near the top, might be the abundance of public Casinos and Poker (Slot) Machines across the country.

[other99]

Originally Posted by danielsa1775

No Idea why Australia is near the top, might be the abundance of public Casinos and Poker (Slot) Machines across the country.

Same here and I don't know why. I know a lot of people here in Australia that don't drink or drink much alcohol.

Originally Posted by Traveler86

I'm not saying the UK is the worst country, because a country that had always many social problems and inequalities cant be decadent at all. The UK is decadent because Its a developed country or at least high income one who was ahead in many ways centuries ago, industrial revolution,invented many things, contributions in technology and science but even considering that and the fact that quite a few of the best universities in the world still are in the UK, there are a large contingent of obnoxious lower/working classes which you dont find is a so decadent and massive numbers anywhere else in western europe. Heck even most eastern european lower classes dont behave as much silly as the British one does.

Well now that you show a more realistic and balanced opinion, I mostly agree with you. UK/England is overrated in modern times, and having plenty of serious problems some people in delusional British fantasy land completely ignore and forget about. They need to know the real England/Scotland in modern times.

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You are talking to yourself right now and referring only to yourself. You are not even responding to the debate right now for 95% of the post, and not surprising since you started the wasteful conflict, endlessly insulting, and harassing me, showing malicious negativity to me for no reason. You insult everyone else not having the same opinions. No more of this broken record stuff right now. I never wanted to respond to any of it. Stop insulting me and stay on topic. Ok, time to move on. I usually have proper debates for important topics.

No - I bring people to task over the nonsense that they spout regarding places they know nothing about. Your posts are more than just offering an opinion - you are downright insulting all the British posters on here and British people in general, and those posts will be challenged every time you click 'Submit Reply' because they are wrong and not at all reality - the people who live here are more qualified to comment on the UK than you are. Visiting a place does not make you an expert on that country - try living here for 20+ years and then get back to me.

If the UK didn't live up to your expectations, then whatever - that's fine - we can't please everyone, but when you start posting silly nonsense about British people not being able to use English correctly, or the UK not being as peaceful as bloody Vietnam, then you will be challenged and I will not let it go, and will respond to every post that you make if you continue posting crap about the UK. It is as simple as that. It's like if I started calling all Americans stupid, fat, rude, loud, obnoxious, and ignorant, or that the US is less peaceful than the Congo, or completely overrated and a dump, you would not be okay with that and nor would the other American posters.

If you interpret that as me attacking you, then I am sorry that you're so sensitive to criticism or people refuting your ill-informed 'opinions'. I am also sorry that people having differing opinions to yourself makes you so angry, forcing you to tell those people that their opinion is wrong, or not as good as your own. So sorry.

Originally Posted by dunno what to put here

No - I bring people to task over the nonsense that they spout regarding places they know nothing about. Your posts are more than just offering an opinion - you are downright insulting all the British posters on here and British people in general, and those posts will be challenged every time you click 'Submit Reply' because they are wrong and not at all reality - the people who live here are more qualified to comment on the UK than you are. Visiting a place does not make you an expert on that country - try living here for 20+ years and then get back to me.

If the UK didn't live up to your expectations, then whatever - that's fine - we can't please everyone.

If you interpret that as me attacking you, yes I was, then I am sorry that you're so sensitive to criticism or people refuting your ill-informed 'opinions'.

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I don’t want to respond to your posts anymore ever again or even read them. You don’t know what you are talking about. The vast majority of my posts is never about UK because I don't care about UK most of the time, and it was only 30 posts total 0.00005% total for all of my 4,247 posts in 15+ forums. I don’t only post in the World forum in the past few years. I post in all of these top 15 forums: World, Europe, Asia, Great Debates, Urban Planning, Philosophy, Psychology, Writing, Books, Music, Photography, Games, Other Topics, Science/Technology, Foods/Drinks, Shopping/Consumer Products, and some more forums.

I was just talking about a significant percentage of British people, definitely not every person from UK. I already know there is some good, decent, interesting, pleasant, impressive people from there too. Yes, UK did not meet my expectations, but I don't see it being entirely bad over there, and I was just saying real, honest opinions. I was responding mostly to the rude British posters. I would never want to live in UK for more than 2 years, and especially never 20+years. I don’t need to live there or visit ever again to know it very well. You just couldn’t handle the truth for what I said and knowing I am right for all of my posts.

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Right.. internet research alone, as well as one fleeting visit, essentially constitutes living here for all of your life, and means you are an expert on said country, and means you know more about said country than the people who live there, or visit there on a regular basis.