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Old 09-06-2013, 03:44 AM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Agree, I'll say Melbourne is a very tolerant city that is widely accepting of different races and religions. Brisbane seems very bogan, same with Adelaide, Sydney seems like a city where races are quite divided, Perth seems like a mixture of redneck/rural while Darwin just seems rural. Hobart seems very green

Yeah, the winters here in Victoria are very mild, but to other states (with the exception of Tasmania), it seems a lot colder here than anywhere else, hence my proper winter comment... my QLD born cousin was moaning about how 13 degrees was so cold!

Melbourne is really vibrant and fast growing IMO, but I doubt if it'll ever overtake Sydney as Australia's major city on the international stage. I actually really like Sydney as much as Melbourne, but that's purely because I think Sydney has fantastic views XD Overall, I like the feel of Melbourne better.
Yes, and Melburnians seem a bit more civilised. Without getting into a racially sensitive topic, it seems while in Perth most of the rowdy people are skips, I notice here there are a lot of 'wogs' and other ethnics that are very rowdy in the city and on the train late at night. I've yet to see anything quite as bad as King's Cross or Northbridge...I mean it does happen here, but it's not so concentrated...Hobart seems a city divided, I think it's more greenie/liberal than the rest of Tassie. Have you been? I really like it there.

Actually the place I lived in WA used to get pretty cold...the first week I arrived it got down to -5C! I think it was a record. Had to wipe thick ice off my car. But yes, days in Melbourne are quite a bit colder than Perth. In Perth I was used to just wearing one layer in winter, but not Melbourne.

Yes, Sydney is still quite a lot more famous. I think it's just a lot more photogenic...although Melbourne isn't an ugly city, it's more a 'garden city' type place. Sydney's views are hard to beat, but Melbourne seems more orderly, rich in culture, and more genteel I suppose. Like you said, I feel there's more of an ethnic/class divide in Sydney too, there's a big thing about people from the Western suburbs, or eastern suburbs, or north shore, or whatnot.
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Old 09-06-2013, 05:13 AM
 
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Yes, and Melburnians seem a bit more civilised. Without getting into a racially sensitive topic, it seems while in Perth most of the rowdy people are skips, I notice here there are a lot of 'wogs' and other ethnics that are very rowdy in the city and on the train late at night. I've yet to see anything quite as bad as King's Cross or Northbridge...I mean it does happen here, but it's not so concentrated...Hobart seems a city divided, I think it's more greenie/liberal than the rest of Tassie. Have you been? I really like it there.

Actually the place I lived in WA used to get pretty cold...the first week I arrived it got down to -5C! I think it was a record. Had to wipe thick ice off my car. But yes, days in Melbourne are quite a bit colder than Perth. In Perth I was used to just wearing one layer in winter, but not Melbourne.

Yes, Sydney is still quite a lot more famous. I think it's just a lot more photogenic...although Melbourne isn't an ugly city, it's more a 'garden city' type place. Sydney's views are hard to beat, but Melbourne seems more orderly, rich in culture, and more genteel I suppose. Like you said, I feel there's more of an ethnic/class divide in Sydney too, there's a big thing about people from the Western suburbs, or eastern suburbs, or north shore, or whatnot.
Haha yeah, I think Melburnians kind of affect that "I'm so sophisticated" vibe which probably causes a lot of people from states other than Victoria to think Melbourne people are snobby. I think the skips can be pretty damn rowdy in areas like Frankston, the amount of drunken yobs and teenage parents I saw in that area was pretty shocking. But yeah, I think the bogan skips tend to stay away from the city - my friend who went clubbing tells me there's a lot of 'wog' people at the clubs in King Street.

Damn! That is freezing... and I thought waking up early in the morning to a temperature of 2C was bad enough! Yeah, I think Melbourne (and Hobart) are the only Australian cities where it'll be consistently below 10C for the whole day in winter? I have the weather app on my phone, and Sydney and Brisbane's temperature are often around 16C or something in winter, which isn't bad at all. I think Melbourne's extremely cold winds help make winter feel even colder!

Yeah, I like the feel of Melbourne better too, it feels more cultured while Sydney can feel quite commercialised? Although I think both cities are great, but both cities have some of the most uptight people, compared to other cities in Australia though!
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Old 09-06-2013, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Haha yeah, I think Melburnians kind of affect that "I'm so sophisticated" vibe which probably causes a lot of people from states other than Victoria to think Melbourne people are snobby. I think the skips can be pretty damn rowdy in areas like Frankston, the amount of drunken yobs and teenage parents I saw in that area was pretty shocking. But yeah, I think the bogan skips tend to stay away from the city - my friend who went clubbing tells me there's a lot of 'wog' people at the clubs in King Street.

Damn! That is freezing... and I thought waking up early in the morning to a temperature of 2C was bad enough! Yeah, I think Melbourne (and Hobart) are the only Australian cities where it'll be consistently below 10C for the whole day in winter? I have the weather app on my phone, and Sydney and Brisbane's temperature are often around 16C or something in winter, which isn't bad at all. I think Melbourne's extremely cold winds help make winter feel even colder!

Yeah, I like the feel of Melbourne better too, it feels more cultured while Sydney can feel quite commercialised? Although I think both cities are great, but both cities have some of the most uptight people, compared to other cities in Australia though!
Yes I think so, yet I don't find the people here too snobby, the people in Sydney seem less 'accessible' if that makes sense. Of course there are plenty of 'la di da' types as everywhere, I went to the jazz club every night and of course the chardonnay sipping crowd were there (hope I don't sound too judgemental!) but it was enjoyable.

Oh I'm sure...I keep hearing about how bogan Frankston is! My cousin actually works there, she's working there just until December, I'll have to ask her how it is there, as I haven't really been. It's probably a bit like our Rockingham. While white minority appear the minority in Footscray, the ones that are here just seem really well, bogan, haha...well a lot of them. They have really strong accents (not that there's anything wrong with that) and tend to be really loud, kinda like aborigines haha.

Yep, it was...in my house it would get to as cold as 4-5C. I had a jar of olive oil that said 'may turn cloudy below 7C' - well it wasn't just cloudy, it was literally solid! Not frozen, but damn near it! I'd see my breath inside the house all day on a cold winter's day. The coldest day there was a max of just 7C. Had some days about as cold here in Melbs...in Perth a max of 15C is a cold winter's day.

Yes I think more commercial is a good way to describe Sydney vs Melbourne. Everyone in NYC is all about making money, whereas in Melbourne it seems they take time out to appreciate culture more. Of course, that's a stereotype, and Sydneysider's do love their leisure, but the pace of life in Sydney seems more hurried.

Oh there are uptight folks in Perth, believe me. The hipsters in Perth also think they're something special, maybe they think they're superior because most Sandgropers are such country bumpkins. A lot of the hipsters you see in Melbourne probably hopped over the paddock too.
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Old 09-06-2013, 08:42 AM
 
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Yes I think so, yet I don't find the people here too snobby, the people in Sydney seem less 'accessible' if that makes sense. Of course there are plenty of 'la di da' types as everywhere, I went to the jazz club every night and of course the chardonnay sipping crowd were there (hope I don't sound too judgemental!) but it was enjoyable.

Oh I'm sure...I keep hearing about how bogan Frankston is! My cousin actually works there, she's working there just until December, I'll have to ask her how it is there, as I haven't really been. It's probably a bit like our Rockingham. While white minority appear the minority in Footscray, the ones that are here just seem really well, bogan, haha...well a lot of them. They have really strong accents (not that there's anything wrong with that) and tend to be really loud, kinda like aborigines haha.

Yep, it was...in my house it would get to as cold as 4-5C. I had a jar of olive oil that said 'may turn cloudy below 7C' - well it wasn't just cloudy, it was literally solid! Not frozen, but damn near it! I'd see my breath inside the house all day on a cold winter's day. The coldest day there was a max of just 7C. Had some days about as cold here in Melbs...in Perth a max of 15C is a cold winter's day.

Yes I think more commercial is a good way to describe Sydney vs Melbourne. Everyone in NYC is all about making money, whereas in Melbourne it seems they take time out to appreciate culture more. Of course, that's a stereotype, and Sydneysider's do love their leisure, but the pace of life in Sydney seems more hurried.

Oh there are uptight folks in Perth, believe me. The hipsters in Perth also think they're something special, maybe they think they're superior because most Sandgropers are such country bumpkins. A lot of the hipsters you see in Melbourne probably hopped over the paddock too.
LOL. A jazz club sounds like the very thing that a chardonnay-sipping, "I'm too cool for you" crowd would attend. Oh, Frankston is horrible. I mentioned my friend whose family isn't interested in foreign culture at all, yeah that particular friend comes from Frankston. He's nothing like your typical Frankston bogan though, I remember he used to have a very broad accent though, but I think going to school with uppity types from the eastern suburbs caused him to alter it haha. LOL, I thought I was the only person that noticed that about the white people in Footscray and areas like it. They quite resemble the Frankston bogans, except they're more tolerant due to them living in the city and all. I walked past the Footscray Centrelink once, and I saw some teenaged white girl with bottle-blonde hair, she was pregnant, ciggie hanging out of her mouth and she was clutching the hand of an Asian gangsta looking guy.

Dang, you know it's cold when your breath fogs up in the house in winter. Sounds like you have a pretty cold house, my house is the opposite and gets really hot in summer urgh. It's cosy warm in the winter. Oh, 15C isn't too bad at all in winter - that's practically late Autumn, early Spring weather!

Omg lol yes, it's always the country kids that are ultra hipsters... you'd never see a suburbanite or a city kid actually embracing the hipster mentality. It's kind of like how all the hipsters and starving artists in NYC are actually from other states, and never actually from the city itself..
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Old 09-06-2013, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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LOL. A jazz club sounds like the very thing that a chardonnay-sipping, "I'm too cool for you" crowd would attend. Oh, Frankston is horrible. I mentioned my friend whose family isn't interested in foreign culture at all, yeah that particular friend comes from Frankston. He's nothing like your typical Frankston bogan though, I remember he used to have a very broad accent though, but I think going to school with uppity types from the eastern suburbs caused him to alter it haha. LOL, I thought I was the only person that noticed that about the white people in Footscray and areas like it. They quite resemble the Frankston bogans, except they're more tolerant due to them living in the city and all. I walked past the Footscray Centrelink once, and I saw some teenaged white girl with bottle-blonde hair, she was pregnant, ciggie hanging out of her mouth and she was clutching the hand of an Asian gangsta looking guy.

Dang, you know it's cold when your breath fogs up in the house in winter. Sounds like you have a pretty cold house, my house is the opposite and gets really hot in summer urgh. It's cosy warm in the winter. Oh, 15C isn't too bad at all in winter - that's practically late Autumn, early Spring weather!

Omg lol yes, it's always the country kids that are ultra hipsters... you'd never see a suburbanite or a city kid actually embracing the hipster mentality. It's kind of like how all the hipsters and starving artists in NYC are actually from other states, and never actually from the city itself..
Yep...if you were expecting chilled out beatniks, forget it, these folks were probably all doctors and lawyers from Toorak, Sandringham and Camberwell...haha nah I stereotype, I'm sure it's not only those who go there.

Yeah speaking of accents, even within a city like Melbourne it varies quite a bit, with location, age, gender, ethnicity...i notice some younger people, especially teenagers, have a sort of 'watered down' accent that sounds a bit American. They also say things like 'dude' and say 'noos' instead of 'news' lol. It's kind of annoying, to be honest. And then there is the 'wog' accent, which I find kind of funny, it's like Effie or something haha. Some have said my accent is pretty strong, but I think it's just average. My sister probably has a stronger accent even though she's younger than me. She was born in Australia, though. It's funny when I was like 5 I had a Singaporean accent (I have videos to prove it) but around age 7-8 I lost it and now don't have any trace of it. My other sister too. My sisters are 21 and 26. I think you mentioned you have a brother, any other siblings? What are their ages?

Yeah they're used to Asians alright, haha. Oh when I first got here I started noticing there were tons of white male/asian female couples...at first i thought i was just noticing it, but i swear, at one point they seemed the commonest of any kind! Have seen a few of the opposite, but it just seems more common here than Perth. Not saying there's anything wrong with it, but it's something I noticed.

Well that house used to also get boiling hot in summer...it would be intolerable. There was little breeze in Bridgetown either. The house I'm living in now is only a slight improvement, but the winter nights here aren't as severe. I'm not sure how it'll be in summer. It's over 100 years old, according to the Historical society, which is pretty cool. Interesting to imagine people living here back then, how different their lives would be!

I'm not sure what you mean because plenty of hipsters are from the suburbs/city, but yeah a lot of young people from the country flee to the city. I think a lot of the hipster mentality is just to try to show how arty-farty and intellectual they are. A lot of it is rather shallow, it's really cliquey too. Before I arrived in Melbourne I thought it'd be really like that, but it hasn't been TOO bad yet. I think that's why I'd rather live here in some ways than St. Kilda or Prahran or Fitzroy or something.
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Old 09-06-2013, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Finland
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I have to agree on all of those points except the one about the restaurants... I love Finland and especially Turku, but the restaurant scene is really disappointing...
Really? I haven't ever walked out disappointed when eating out. Maybe can't match the gourmet restaurants of Vienna, but decent and good variety still. Both domestic and a wide variety of ethnic places.
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Old 09-06-2013, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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It is more than two hours drive from a larger city, so everything one could need is centralized here (except some high-end luxuries/entertainment). But it is small enough (60,000) that you can get to anywhere in a few minutes.

Except for going to a few ball games, I haven't been to a larger nearby city in over five years. The farthest I ever go from my house for any reason is 5 miles (8 km), a 15-minute drive at the worst of times, parking is free everywhere, and there is excellent bus service. Most of what I need is within walking distance.

There is a 4-year public university and two full-service general hospitals with all medical specialties. The city is ethnically diverse, about 50% minority, and crime is not considered a day-to-day issue. Comparatively, the cost of living is rock bottom. It never snows.

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Old 09-08-2013, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Trieste
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Mine is a city of mere 200k located in the far north east of Italy, what I like most of it...

1)Being a border town I can shop abroad and save a lot of money, moreover being on the verge of two different cultures, the italian and the slovenian one, add diversity of options to day trips and diverse human experiences, I'd feel very bored if I were surrounded all over by people like myself, with the same language as mine, with the same attitude etc

2)Wilderness; we have a lot of greenery, parks, unbuilt/preserved areas basically attached to the city for a lot of animals such as squirrels, foxes, rabbits, raccoons, hedgehogs and even larger ones like deers, wild boars can prosper, many people taken the habit to feed 'em so they no longer fear the humans and visit home gardens, vineyards even in daylight, I love this but can get not everybody are happy about it...

3)No bugs; I hate bugs but thanks to our dry weather (here there ain't no rivers, lakes or marshes) we hardly see scorpions, flies, mosquistos and stuff, the only thing I can't stand are ticks, who thrive from late April to early fall but I had learned tio sprat my legs when venture into wild grassy paths.

4)Diversity of landscape therefore a lot of outdoors options:
on the west we have the sea, you can swim, sunbathe, go diving, surfing, on the east we have hills and just beyond the border mountains where to ski, hunt, rock climbing etc beside also having a lot of caves and subterranean rivers enjoyed by speleologists.

5)The easinness to escape the city, since it's small and human shaped, I can't stand metropolis and all that goes with it, ghettoes, being locked among buildings, noise, cars, pollution...

6)The topography:
it's not flat save a few districts, most of the city is built on slopes and hills, it's a bit like San Francisco so one can always enjoy different views and perspectives toward a valley, a narrow lane, the pinnacles of churches, the sea, two different countries at once (Slovenia and Croatia), you feel the terrain here, you won't get lost here.

7)Four seasons and that's always a good thing.



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Old 10-06-2013, 03:53 PM
 
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I live in Seattle right now and for the past few months since Late June.


Top 10 Favorite Characteristics and Qualities About Seattle:

1. Magnificent, Perfect, and Ideal Blend of Urban Scenery Together with Nature Scenery in Seattle. Some pretty urban neighborhoods, especially Downtown, Capitol Hill, Belltown, and Queen Anne. The Pacific Northwest nature scenery, Cascades mountain range, Olympic mountain range, Puget sound, lush forests, conifer evergreen and some redwood trees, ocean, temperate rain forest, and even some semi-arid desert not far away.

2. Balance in Scenery. In a place such as Seattle, someone could easily be in a crowded, pretty dense, fast paced place to a desolate, low density, slow paced place in less than 40 minutes. Someone is able to be in the middle of Downtown around skyscrapers to plenty of residential neighborhoods with low density houses everywhere in literally less than 20 minutes and a short bus ride away.


3. The most educated major city apparently based on percentage of people with college degrees for anywhere in USA: The Seattle Times: Local News: Seattle ranks as nation's best-educated big city

4. One of the highest average annual income major cities in USA, and one of the lowest poverty rates for any major city in USA

5. Progressive compared to the Conservative areas of USA.

6. Affordable for Cost of Living compared to NYC, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Washington DC, Boston, etc. This is especially true for Average Annual Income vs. Affordability vs. Cost of Living, where Seattle must be in the top 5 in USA for this economic statistic demographic balance.

7. Low Crime Rate for a major city in USA. In the summer months, there was some nights I was outside 12 midnight to 3am, and sometimes all night up to 5am for nightlife partying, late night cafes, going to a diner with friends in Seattle, or walking around and I always felt safe. Almost never a moment of dangerous crime in the middle of the night in most of Seattle. This is rare for most of USA.

8. One of the most amazing, impressive, and entertaining independent café bar scenes in the world in Seattle. Most of the café bars in Seattle are sophisticated, fancy, perfect ambience, and would easily be in a place such as Paris, Vienna, Buenos Aires, Prague, Saigon, or New York City. There is at least 30 of those independent kind of café bars in Seattle, and most of them have free computer wifi there. I am using my computer in one of those café bars right now. The Jewel Box Café Bar in Maple Leaf.

9. There is a culture of successful independent businesses in Seattle, and a lack of chain stores, especially compared to most of USA. This is especially true for restaurants, independent café bars, nightlife bars, general independent stores, furniture stores, etc.

10. My favorite neighborhoods in Seattle: Downtown, Capitol Hill, Fremont, Ballard, Wallingford, University District, Queen Anne, West Seattle, International District, Greenwood, Belltown, and Magnolia.




* I am enjoying my move to Seattle and with no regrets. I continue to love this city too for plenty of specific reasons. However, Seattle unfortunately lost some of the culture, and magic it used to have 3 years ago to 20 years ago. Most people in Seattle are not really progressive, or interesting compared to reputation. The annual weather is pretty horrible most years, even if the weather is mild, and sometimes very brief Meditterranean summers. Its just too Cloudy most years, and recently it was cloudy for like 20 days in a row Middle September to Early October and just really disgusting bad timing in the year. Its not warm hot enough in the summer when I like hot summers. I could easily say an equal amount of negative things about Seattle together with all of the positive things, and say more. However, this topic is only about the most favorite things for the city someone lives in right now.

While I love Seattle and the Pacific Northwest, I really don’t see myself living there long term anymore compared to how I felt 3 years ago. I prefer more change of scenery, especially when I am young and in my Earliest 20s right now. I might not be able to stand the annual weather in Seattle anymore after a long time. The career possibilities for my double major in college: Architecture, and Computer Information Technology is much better in a place such as San Francisco California, where I plan to live in next within a few years after finishing my college student years and an A/A- gpa in college. After, San Francisco, I plan to live somewhere international and I know very well where I want to live anywhere in the world.
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Old 10-06-2013, 07:08 PM
 
Location: São Paulo, Brazil
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São Paulo has three things which I specially like: the cultural life, the availability of services 24h per day (like NYC: 'a city which never sleeps') and the public parks. Definitively it will never rank amongst the most boring cities in the world.
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