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Old 09-05-2013, 02:45 AM
 
Location: London, UK
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Am European who has lived in both USA and many EU countries.
Both countries have pros and cons depending on your personal values and what you enjoy in life.

To me the major gap between EU and USA is the way of life.
In Europe, we have good education, low crime, more egalitarian societies, but also a much slower more bureaucratic lifestyle, more checks and balances, make no mistake European political ideology is social democracy (socialism and democracy).

The big difference in the USA, is that the USA is a free for all country.
Basically, to me there is much less of a sense of community there, and much more of an individualistic "Im going to get rich" mentality. You have a lot less nonsense and taxes in the US (although to me the US government is highly inefficient, IE Gov services like mail services and so on).

So which one is better? Again it depends on your values.
Although I strongly identify with European values, as a young man I detest the security Europeans value so much. I much prefer a society in which you can earn what you sweat for proportionally, instead of entering a system where I pay half my salary or more to have good healthcare, pay for this and that which I dont need, etc...

The main problem I have though with the USA...Is the blatant inequality in wages that is caused by an inefficient management of the economy and social classes...We all know less than 1% of Americans earn 99% of the wealth generated...

PS: GDP is a very wrong measure to demonstrate the wealth and ability of a country or state. GDP is a good general measure but the details of how this GDP is generated tell the real story.
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Old 09-05-2013, 03:35 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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I've read most of this thread with interest. I've travelled extensively and worked in all areas of the world in the last 12 years. Actually anyone born in USA or Europe has life much easier than had you been born elsewhere (with a few anomalies like Qatar & Singapore.)

From my observations and discussions with Europeans, it's easier to accumulate wealth in the USA due to a slightly higher income, less taxes, and significantly less cost of living. But we do have to work harder with fewer days off than the Europeans.

One thing not discussed much in this thread is cost of living. Most of the US is much less expensive than most of Europe. For example, the average house in UK is nearly double the average house in the USA and when you figure that it's significantly smaller housing on average and average incomes are less than US, we have a pretty fantastic deal. Also, the vast GDP difference in states like NY & Cali versus Alabama & Mississippi may not be so significant when you also look at cost of living. Louisiana for example, with a pretty good GDP and very low COL, may have a higher lifestyle than Cali overall.

I consider myself extremely fortunate to have been born in the USA. Thank you my crazy ancestors that took great risks to come here.
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Old 09-05-2013, 03:43 AM
 
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Anything to do with science in that forum is truly painful to read though. It's like they have been brainwashed so badly that they are no longer capable of thinking unless it involves moaning about 'liberals', 'atheists' or 'socialists'. Obviously they don't offer up any evidence to support their moaning.
Did I just wander into the psychotic merry-go-round of the New Atheist blogosphere?

I'm no fan of socialist policies, but this is clearly a politically-charged, defensive thread regarding the status of the USA. I guess, in a sense, this is understandable, given burgeoning concerns about the global prestige of the USA, and the fact that the office of POTUS no longer seems to carry the geopolitical leverage it used to.
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Old 09-05-2013, 03:56 AM
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Location: Surrey/London
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Did I just wander into the psychotic merry-go-round of the New Atheist blogosphere?

I'm no fan of socialist policies, but this is evidently a politically-charged, defensive thread regarding the status of the USA. I guess, in a sense, this is understandable, given burgeoning concerns about the global prestige of the USA, and the fact that the office of POTUS no longer seems to carry the geopolitical leverage it used to.
I am not a 'liberal' either, I'm a centrist. I prefer to take the good points from both sides, which is something you won't (or very rarely) find in the politics forum.

You rarely see Europeans blinding charging in to attack the US with fraudulent information. This isn't even a 'defensive' thread, it was pretty unprovoked.
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Old 09-05-2013, 04:02 AM
 
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You've failed to note the barrage of antiamerican threads on this forum?
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Old 09-05-2013, 04:05 AM
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Location: Surrey/London
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You've failed to note the barrage of antiamerican threads on this forum?
They are usually in response to something someone has said in another thread (on the politics forum at least). You don't tend to see someone just randomly attack the US for no reason. This thread wasn't in response to anything, it was just the OP trying to boast about how great the US is and how bad Europe is, except they failed.
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Old 09-05-2013, 05:09 AM
 
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According to UK's Office for National Statistics the USA has higher disposable income than EVERY European country. Darn, that's inconvenient - please shut this thread down!

U.S. has the highest disposable income, as UK slips down the list - Skift
Thats average, not median. Also, I must say a report that places the net weath of Norwegian hoseholds as the lowest in Europe, below even Greece and Slovakia, is a bit suspect.
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Old 09-05-2013, 05:35 AM
 
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I like threads like this one, they make me happier than ever that I emigrated from the U.S.
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Old 09-05-2013, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Gorgeous Scotland
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I like threads like this one, they make me happier than ever that I emigrated from the U.S.
Same here. And I can just about guarantee that some American will say they are glad we left the US as well.
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Old 09-05-2013, 02:37 PM
 
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They are usually in response to something someone has said in another thread (on the politics forum at least). You don't tend to see someone just randomly attack the US for no reason. This thread wasn't in response to anything, it was just the OP trying to boast about how great the US is and how bad Europe is, except they failed.
No I'm referring to this forum. There have been far more unprovoked antiamerican threads and comments here than the converse.

I'm sorry if you're blind to this but we've even had threads being closed at the offset by mods on the rationale that the forum sentiment was too antiamerican. It is identifiably a problem.
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