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Old 12-01-2013, 01:04 PM
 
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here's a residential density visualization of both of them:

http://citygeographics.files.wordpre...aldensity3.png

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NYC declines with distance much more than London, which is rather flat. On the other hand, the density shape of Paris with distance is probably closer to NYC than London at least for the first 20-25 miles or so.
Paris has also building height restrictions and is largely a planned city with strict zoning, so those NYC & Hong Kong densities are quite hard to achieve. The old "inner ring" or "Paris proper" is densely built with another less dense ring around it. Just like London.

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Old 12-01-2013, 01:14 PM
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Paris has also building height restrictions and is largely a planned city with strict zoning, so those NYC & Hong Kong densities are quite hard to achieve. The old "inner ring" or "Paris proper" is densely built with another less dense ring around it. Just like London.
Paris proper achieves NYC levels of densities. Almost.

Densest district of NYC: Upper East Side ~ 45,000 per square km
Densest district of Paris: 11th Arrondissment ~ 41,000 per square km

NYC stays at higher densities going into the outer borough and Upper Manhattan compared to Paris and the inner suburbs, but the scale is similar. London is nowhere as dense as either, and doesn't decrease as much going out.
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Old 12-01-2013, 02:23 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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What is the package?
You know, the PACKAGE -

Economic wealth
Skyscrapers
Architecture
Public transportation
Media
Advertising
Wall Street
Business
Rich people
Restaurants
Hotels
Fashion
Shopping
Nightlife
Broadway
Iconic attractions
Art galleries
Universities
Urban parks
UN headquarters
History
Cultural diversity, ...

the quality and quantity of everything that makes New York City what it is.
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Old 12-01-2013, 07:22 PM
 
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here's a residential density visualization of both of them:

http://citygeographics.files.wordpre...aldensity3.png

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NYC declines with distance much more than London, which is rather flat. On the other hand, the density shape of Paris with distance is probably closer to NYC than London at least for the first 20-25 miles or so.
True, but I mean, by American standards the other boroughs and Jersey are still very dense, as you can see, much of Brooklyn and Jersey is as dense as most of London.
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Old 12-01-2013, 07:24 PM
 
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Paris proper achieves NYC levels of densities. Almost.

Densest district of NYC: Upper East Side ~ 45,000 per square km
Densest district of Paris: 11th Arrondissment ~ 41,000 per square km

NYC stays at higher densities going into the outer borough and Upper Manhattan compared to Paris and the inner suburbs, but the scale is similar. London is nowhere as dense as either, and doesn't decrease as much going out.
Yes Paris does it without high rises but, I suspect one thing Paris has that Manhattan doesn't have as much of is shophouses. In Manhattan commercial and residential is still a bit more segregated.
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Old 12-02-2013, 09:38 PM
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Chatham Square, Manhattan 1905:



File:Chatham Square 1905.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Union Square, 1910:



http://www.shorpy.com/node/10818

somewhere in Lower Manhattan, 1930s:



Broad St. Manhattan, 1904:



http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5010

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Old 12-02-2013, 10:19 PM
 
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I think comparing the City of New York to Greater London is unfair. Greater London is essentially London - only a few straggly bits outside of Greater London could be considered 'London'. The City of New York could basically be described as the inner-city, with a few suburban locations but not many. Westchester County is more like Croydon or Kingston-upon-Thames.

London's central areas aren't as dense, but it has dense suburbs. British cities don't really do low-density at all. Even the suburban towns fringing London, which often have large houses separated by large gardens, would be dense by US suburban standards.

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I think comparing the City of New York to Greater London is unfair. Greater London is essentially London - only a few straggly bits outside of Greater London could be considered 'London'. The City of New York could basically be described as the inner-city, with a few suburban locations but not many. Westchester County is more like Croydon or Kingston-upon-Thames.

London's central areas aren't as dense, but it has dense suburbs. British cities don't really do low-density at all. Even the suburban towns fringing London, which often have large houses separated by large gardens, would be dense by US suburban standards.
Except outside the greenbelt, there's a large number of towns that grew in the last century only because of the outward expansion of London. A large commuter belt surrounds London . A rather high % of city center workers live outside of Greater London — 32% for the City of London, 22% for Westminster

http://legacy.london.gov.uk/gla/publ...ng-2007-03.pdf

For central areas of NYC, the comparable figure is about 30% outside the city limits from what I remember.

As for density, NYC does have lower density suburbs but since it's larger than London it has far more people living at dense areas. I made a graphs of % of people living in census tracts several US metro areas, as well as Greater London and the EU defined London Urban Zone. The lowest density tracts in the British ones may be underestimated — the British census appears to combine non-residential land and residential land into the same tract a bit more than American ones, less of an issue in continuously developed Greater London. Roughly, the NYC and London graphs meet at 50%: the denser half of the NYC metro lives at densities denser, sometimes much denser than the denser half of London, while the less dense half of the NYC metro lives at lower densities than the same relative portion of London.

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Old 12-02-2013, 11:26 PM
 
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^ Greater London should really be compared to the vast NY metro tri-state area, which sprawls into Jersey, Long Island, Connecticut, and Rockland, Westchester.etc. 22 million people, almost half the population of England or the population of Australia live in this vast metropolis.
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Old 12-02-2013, 11:59 PM
 
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Except outside the greenbelt, there's a large number of towns that grew in the last century only because of the outward expansion of London. A large commuter belt surrounds London . A rather high % of city center workers live outside of Greater London — 32% for the City of London, 22% for Westminster
I know that - but they're not really 'London' in the way that Croydon is London. They form part of London's metro area of course. This is the tricky thing - comparing like for like. Where does a city begin and end?

Interesting graph btw, and kind of confirms what I already thought.
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